1 00:00:22,330 --> 00:00:14,370 [Music] 2 00:00:22,340 --> 00:00:27,580 you mean it could be done either way 3 00:00:27,590 --> 00:00:42,670 [Music] 4 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:46,310 fantastic but it's it's Airy it needs to 5 00:00:52,130 --> 00:00:48,770 be very old butt 6 00:01:10,090 --> 00:00:52,140 [Music] 7 00:01:17,030 --> 00:01:12,350 thank you 8 00:01:46,850 --> 00:01:44,270 [Music] 9 00:01:49,010 --> 00:01:46,860 hey folks good evening and welcome to 10 00:01:50,870 --> 00:01:49,020 another episode of phantom zamasa's 11 00:01:53,149 --> 00:01:50,880 radio where we explore the strange and 12 00:01:55,249 --> 00:01:53,159 unexplained I'm your host lawn Stricker 13 00:01:57,770 --> 00:01:55,259 and thanks for joining me this evening 14 00:01:59,450 --> 00:01:57,780 uh if you enjoy our content then please 15 00:02:02,330 --> 00:01:59,460 subscribe like and share our 16 00:02:05,810 --> 00:02:02,340 presentations and uh please feel free to 17 00:02:08,449 --> 00:02:05,820 place 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Cronus 32 00:02:44,150 --> 00:02:41,360 Rising series as a Sci-Fi 33 00:02:45,830 --> 00:02:44,160 uh suspense bearers which have garnered 34 00:02:48,650 --> 00:02:45,840 both book of the year and People's 35 00:02:50,630 --> 00:02:48,660 Choice Awards is the Amazon number one 36 00:02:53,449 --> 00:02:50,640 bestseller author of The crypto research 37 00:02:55,670 --> 00:02:53,459 book monsters and Marine Mysteries as 38 00:02:58,190 --> 00:02:55,680 well as Memoirs of a gym rat an 39 00:02:59,509 --> 00:02:58,200 outrageous expose of Health Club 40 00:03:02,089 --> 00:02:59,519 industry 41 00:03:04,130 --> 00:03:02,099 in children's book I want a 42 00:03:05,750 --> 00:03:04,140 tyrannosaurus for Christmas 43 00:03:08,270 --> 00:03:05,760 he has been interviewed by both 44 00:03:11,630 --> 00:03:08,280 Washington Post and fangora magazine has 45 00:03:14,930 --> 00:03:11,640 appeared on QVC spaced out radio Coast 46 00:03:16,430 --> 00:03:14,940 to Coast AM and in A Tribe Called Quest 47 00:03:20,030 --> 00:03:16,440 rap video 48 00:03:22,369 --> 00:03:20,040 I left my wallet in El Segundo 49 00:03:24,970 --> 00:03:22,379 in addition to being a bestseller Navi 50 00:03:27,729 --> 00:03:24,980 novelist he is a singer-songwriter 51 00:03:31,250 --> 00:03:27,739 avocational paleontologist 52 00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:31,260 uh crypted to researcher igfa world 53 00:03:37,009 --> 00:03:34,140 record holder angler and voting member 54 00:03:40,789 --> 00:03:37,019 of the author's Guild Max is an avid 55 00:03:43,430 --> 00:03:40,799 Sportsman and conservationist and Ron 56 00:03:45,649 --> 00:03:43,440 Murphy the cryptic Guru is with us 57 00:03:47,509 --> 00:03:45,659 tonight he has been investigating the 58 00:03:50,509 --> 00:03:47,519 stuff and nightmares for over 30 years 59 00:03:52,729 --> 00:03:50,519 he has delved deeply into the Shadows to 60 00:03:55,009 --> 00:03:52,739 shed light on the Things That Go Bump in 61 00:03:58,550 --> 00:03:55,019 the night and meticulously research the 62 00:04:01,009 --> 00:03:58,560 historical and psychological context of 63 00:04:03,530 --> 00:04:01,019 myths and legends from all around the 64 00:04:06,589 --> 00:04:03,540 world Ron seeks to uncover your 65 00:04:09,410 --> 00:04:06,599 archetypal uh precedent for monsters 66 00:04:13,550 --> 00:04:09,420 that haunt our Collective thoughts in 67 00:04:16,610 --> 00:04:13,560 2018 Iran also wrote on aquatic Monsters 68 00:04:19,370 --> 00:04:16,620 of the Great Lakes an investigation into 69 00:04:20,810 --> 00:04:19,380 the Legends and sightings of unknown 70 00:04:25,070 --> 00:04:20,820 animals 71 00:04:27,890 --> 00:04:25,080 uh Kenny W Irish otherwise known as the 72 00:04:30,590 --> 00:04:27,900 crypto punctologist is an author 73 00:04:33,469 --> 00:04:30,600 hardcore punk musician and sales 74 00:04:35,749 --> 00:04:33,479 marketing professional originally from a 75 00:04:38,270 --> 00:04:35,759 northern northern parts of Vermont he 76 00:04:41,870 --> 00:04:38,280 has recently relocated to the beautiful 77 00:04:44,870 --> 00:04:41,880 Adirondack area of Upstate New York he 78 00:04:47,689 --> 00:04:44,880 has lifelong Lifelong Love of folklore 79 00:04:50,810 --> 00:04:47,699 Legends monsters and UFO stories 80 00:04:54,950 --> 00:04:50,820 he has uh regularly attended and spoke 81 00:04:57,050 --> 00:04:54,960 of writer's guilds groups uh conferences 82 00:04:59,689 --> 00:04:57,060 festivals and and various other 83 00:05:02,450 --> 00:04:59,699 platforms across the country he has a 84 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:02,460 passion for writing young readers 85 00:05:08,210 --> 00:05:05,880 chapters books in late summer 2022 86 00:05:11,270 --> 00:05:08,220 International Cryptids and legends and 87 00:05:14,390 --> 00:05:11,280 the follow-up to American cryptism's 88 00:05:17,990 --> 00:05:14,400 released via beyond the free publishing 89 00:05:20,210 --> 00:05:18,000 he's also an Explorer of the New York uh 90 00:05:22,129 --> 00:05:20,220 for the New York Bigfoot Society Kenny 91 00:05:24,950 --> 00:05:22,139 has appeared on numerous radio shows and 92 00:05:27,650 --> 00:05:24,960 podcasts including Coast to Coast AM he 93 00:05:30,350 --> 00:05:27,660 has filmed in several documentaries 94 00:05:33,350 --> 00:05:30,360 scheduled to broadcast in the near 95 00:05:36,950 --> 00:05:33,360 future and Steve calls otherwise known 96 00:05:38,749 --> 00:05:36,960 as this watch Detective former 97 00:05:40,670 --> 00:05:38,759 professional investigator and private 98 00:05:42,650 --> 00:05:40,680 investigator lenses 18 years of 99 00:05:43,850 --> 00:05:42,660 experience to the Bigfoot mystery and 100 00:05:46,189 --> 00:05:43,860 Cryptids 101 00:05:48,469 --> 00:05:46,199 Steve has appeared on numerous local 102 00:05:50,510 --> 00:05:48,479 news programs across the country and 103 00:05:53,090 --> 00:05:50,520 National venues such as Fox and Friends 104 00:05:55,790 --> 00:05:53,100 and interviewed in print and over 100 105 00:05:57,409 --> 00:05:55,800 newspapers over the last 10 years 106 00:05:59,990 --> 00:05:57,419 Steve has appeared on the History 107 00:06:02,570 --> 00:06:00,000 Channel series monster quest and 108 00:06:05,090 --> 00:06:02,580 America's Book of Secrets the National 109 00:06:07,730 --> 00:06:05,100 Geographic documented the truth behind 110 00:06:10,249 --> 00:06:07,740 the Loch Ness monster in the Nat Geo 111 00:06:12,529 --> 00:06:10,259 Channel series paranatural 112 00:06:14,689 --> 00:06:12,539 destination America's Monsters and 113 00:06:18,650 --> 00:06:14,699 Mysteries unsolved and paranormal 114 00:06:21,290 --> 00:06:18,660 survivors so guys thanks for joining me 115 00:06:26,689 --> 00:06:24,890 it's a pleasure to be here my friend 116 00:06:30,050 --> 00:06:26,699 thanks for putting up with me absolutely 117 00:06:31,850 --> 00:06:30,060 yeah thanks for the invite 118 00:06:34,430 --> 00:06:31,860 well I mean we got quite a group every 119 00:06:36,469 --> 00:06:34,440 night uh I don't know Kenny's still 120 00:06:38,150 --> 00:06:36,479 there 121 00:06:40,490 --> 00:06:38,160 maybe even backed out for a saying well 122 00:06:42,350 --> 00:06:40,500 I hope you back him oh boy so let me 123 00:06:45,710 --> 00:06:42,360 start off with Max I know Max was on 124 00:06:49,969 --> 00:06:45,720 with uh Bernadette couple weeks ago and 125 00:06:52,850 --> 00:06:49,979 uh you you kind of do a lot of this as 126 00:06:55,790 --> 00:06:52,860 far as paleontology and and fossils and 127 00:06:57,409 --> 00:06:55,800 such with the aquatics 128 00:07:00,529 --> 00:06:57,419 um tell us a bit about what you've done 129 00:07:02,570 --> 00:07:00,539 and what you're doing now 130 00:07:04,249 --> 00:07:02,580 right now I'm drinking out of a stitch 131 00:07:06,230 --> 00:07:04,259 Mark that belongs to my daughter so 132 00:07:07,909 --> 00:07:06,240 risking life and limb 133 00:07:11,450 --> 00:07:07,919 um well let's see I mean the 134 00:07:13,370 --> 00:07:11,460 paleontology thing was I mean a side 135 00:07:15,290 --> 00:07:13,380 effect of all the research that I do for 136 00:07:16,909 --> 00:07:15,300 my novels the Cronus Rising series is 137 00:07:18,770 --> 00:07:16,919 Paleo fiction so you're dealing with 138 00:07:21,290 --> 00:07:18,780 previous or marine life in the present 139 00:07:23,749 --> 00:07:21,300 and what might happen if you introduce 140 00:07:25,730 --> 00:07:23,759 an apex predator obviously into our 141 00:07:28,010 --> 00:07:25,740 Predator depleted oceans and such but uh 142 00:07:30,350 --> 00:07:28,020 so I mean I did a lot of stuff I mean I 143 00:07:32,450 --> 00:07:30,360 solved the mystery of please use your 144 00:07:35,150 --> 00:07:32,460 Locomotion how they use their four 145 00:07:36,770 --> 00:07:35,160 flippers to swim uh did a formal paper 146 00:07:38,930 --> 00:07:36,780 on that with paleontologist Mark 147 00:07:42,950 --> 00:07:38,940 mcmenaman and Paul De Lasalle from the 148 00:07:44,450 --> 00:07:42,960 UK I did a lot of work on I guess 149 00:07:46,790 --> 00:07:44,460 solving the mystery of why please Source 150 00:07:48,589 --> 00:07:46,800 had such long necks uh all sorts of 151 00:07:50,570 --> 00:07:48,599 stuff a lot of Megalodon research you 152 00:07:53,150 --> 00:07:50,580 name it I I've been doing it besides 153 00:07:56,990 --> 00:07:53,160 writing books and screenplays and all 154 00:07:59,689 --> 00:07:57,000 that stuff and videos and yeah it's a 155 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:01,010 I don't know I mean there's so much 156 00:08:04,129 --> 00:08:03,060 stuff I'd just be blabbing about it you 157 00:08:05,870 --> 00:08:04,139 know like I was telling you we just did 158 00:08:08,150 --> 00:08:05,880 a YouTube video with evidence of a 159 00:08:10,430 --> 00:08:08,160 32-foot white shark you know a whale 160 00:08:13,189 --> 00:08:10,440 cart with yard-wide bites taken out of 161 00:08:15,830 --> 00:08:13,199 it with tooth marks Etc so where was 162 00:08:17,089 --> 00:08:15,840 that at that that washer show on Briar 163 00:08:20,689 --> 00:08:17,099 Island 164 00:08:22,550 --> 00:08:20,699 that's uh Nova Scotia and uh yeah it 165 00:08:24,830 --> 00:08:22,560 worked out nicely because actually one 166 00:08:26,330 --> 00:08:24,840 of the researchers she took photos of 167 00:08:28,309 --> 00:08:26,340 the carcass while it was still at Sea 168 00:08:30,830 --> 00:08:28,319 and all the bites were fresh and then 169 00:08:32,149 --> 00:08:30,840 when it became ashore her husband uh 170 00:08:33,769 --> 00:08:32,159 filmed it and everything got me 171 00:08:35,630 --> 00:08:33,779 measurements all this stuff and then he 172 00:08:37,730 --> 00:08:35,640 dissected it I mean he took the skeleton 173 00:08:39,889 --> 00:08:37,740 Etc but it was so falling apart at that 174 00:08:42,230 --> 00:08:39,899 point at that point it didn't matter but 175 00:08:44,990 --> 00:08:42,240 you know we got actually a 30-foot 176 00:08:46,490 --> 00:08:45,000 humpback which bites 177 00:08:48,590 --> 00:08:46,500 I can't even show my hands because the 178 00:08:49,970 --> 00:08:48,600 screen's not big enough here but big 179 00:08:52,070 --> 00:08:49,980 enough like we're talking a shark to 180 00:08:54,290 --> 00:08:52,080 size home so the one from Jaws three 181 00:08:58,509 --> 00:08:54,300 wow so 182 00:09:02,870 --> 00:08:58,519 yeah only thing is the actual shark 183 00:09:05,949 --> 00:09:02,880 yeah so Steve I I know you did a uh a 184 00:09:09,170 --> 00:09:05,959 Loch Ness documentary a while back 185 00:09:12,110 --> 00:09:09,180 uh what came of that I mean what was 186 00:09:15,350 --> 00:09:12,120 involved with that at the time 187 00:09:18,769 --> 00:09:15,360 well let's see we uh a really weird uh 188 00:09:21,530 --> 00:09:18,779 uh how it happened the director of the 189 00:09:24,530 --> 00:09:21,540 program was actually the director of 190 00:09:27,889 --> 00:09:24,540 My Monster Quest episode and he thought 191 00:09:29,509 --> 00:09:27,899 you know hey I was such a a strong you 192 00:09:32,210 --> 00:09:29,519 know presence during the monster quest 193 00:09:36,230 --> 00:09:32,220 that he wanted me to go out and lead a 194 00:09:39,350 --> 00:09:36,240 team in Loch Ness for that Geo Channel 195 00:09:42,769 --> 00:09:39,360 so we we had talked and uh in September 196 00:09:45,230 --> 00:09:42,779 the previous year 2010 and uh we were 197 00:09:48,290 --> 00:09:45,240 gonna film in 2011 so 198 00:09:51,410 --> 00:09:48,300 uh got sent out there and uh you know 199 00:09:54,110 --> 00:09:51,420 like we were gonna have uh side scan uh 200 00:09:58,130 --> 00:09:54,120 sonar we were going to have a couple of 201 00:10:01,670 --> 00:09:58,140 uh a marine biologist come with us we we 202 00:10:04,850 --> 00:10:01,680 had a captain of a boat that you know 203 00:10:05,750 --> 00:10:04,860 was very familiar with the the area 204 00:10:08,810 --> 00:10:05,760 um 205 00:10:10,910 --> 00:10:08,820 and we had and we had a a dive team as 206 00:10:13,970 --> 00:10:10,920 well to go in and start looking around 207 00:10:16,690 --> 00:10:13,980 her castle which is that famous castle 208 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:16,700 you see in the In Search of scene there 209 00:10:21,530 --> 00:10:19,680 when they say you know lake monsters or 210 00:10:25,310 --> 00:10:21,540 Loch Ness 211 00:10:27,650 --> 00:10:25,320 um so I spent nine days out there uh I 212 00:10:31,009 --> 00:10:27,660 think six and a half days was spent 213 00:10:32,509 --> 00:10:31,019 always on the water I mean hours and 214 00:10:35,389 --> 00:10:32,519 hours on the water 215 00:10:39,110 --> 00:10:35,399 looking for things uh making 216 00:10:43,730 --> 00:10:39,120 observations I managed to debunk a hoax 217 00:10:46,610 --> 00:10:43,740 while I was there as well as as well as 218 00:10:49,490 --> 00:10:46,620 talk to a couple of 219 00:10:51,829 --> 00:10:49,500 you know really good strong witnesses as 220 00:10:53,030 --> 00:10:51,839 well and one not so good Witness 221 00:10:55,730 --> 00:10:53,040 es so 222 00:10:57,769 --> 00:10:55,740 you're gonna get those yeah but we we 223 00:11:00,650 --> 00:10:57,779 actually had a poligrapher by the name 224 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:00,660 of David bird been with Scotland Yard 225 00:11:05,829 --> 00:11:04,800 for 35 years and had become really an 226 00:11:08,930 --> 00:11:05,839 international 227 00:11:11,210 --> 00:11:08,940 calligrapher giving polygraph exams and 228 00:11:14,210 --> 00:11:11,220 at the time he was coming to do this he 229 00:11:16,930 --> 00:11:14,220 had just came off of uh putting a 230 00:11:19,610 --> 00:11:16,940 Belgian serial killer on the box 231 00:11:21,290 --> 00:11:19,620 uh because the Belgian government called 232 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:21,300 them in the interview the guy see if he 233 00:11:23,630 --> 00:11:22,560 was telling the truth about other 234 00:11:27,110 --> 00:11:23,640 murders 235 00:11:30,949 --> 00:11:27,120 so he was there and we got along because 236 00:11:33,170 --> 00:11:30,959 like uh my my background is in forensic 237 00:11:36,710 --> 00:11:33,180 interviewing and uh speaking with him 238 00:11:39,350 --> 00:11:36,720 there's a lot of similarities that you 239 00:11:41,990 --> 00:11:39,360 know in the build up to a polygraph exam 240 00:11:44,329 --> 00:11:42,000 the poligrapher will interview the 241 00:11:46,610 --> 00:11:44,339 subject they're going to speak with and 242 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:46,620 basically use a little psychology on 243 00:11:52,310 --> 00:11:49,260 them as well to build up the reputation 244 00:11:54,470 --> 00:11:52,320 of the machine so it was just quite a 245 00:11:56,750 --> 00:11:54,480 learning experience and some of the 246 00:11:58,389 --> 00:11:56,760 observations I made there was quite a 247 00:12:02,990 --> 00:11:58,399 learning experience and I definitely 248 00:12:06,410 --> 00:12:03,000 came away with a better understanding of 249 00:12:10,670 --> 00:12:06,420 what it was and what it wasn't 250 00:12:13,790 --> 00:12:10,680 great so Ron you're folklores I knew you 251 00:12:17,150 --> 00:12:13,800 wrote a book about lake monsters or you 252 00:12:20,210 --> 00:12:17,160 know what what are your thoughts on lake 253 00:12:22,190 --> 00:12:20,220 monsters I mean you know we've got one 254 00:12:25,790 --> 00:12:22,200 semi-famous one here in Pennsylvania 255 00:12:27,410 --> 00:12:25,800 with Raystown Ray but overall what are 256 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:27,420 your thoughts on this 257 00:12:31,190 --> 00:12:29,760 right 258 00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:31,200 well I mean think it's it's very 259 00:12:36,650 --> 00:12:33,680 intriguing uh one of your uh your uh 260 00:12:38,750 --> 00:12:36,660 listeners said that lake monsters act 261 00:12:40,790 --> 00:12:38,760 kind of like a gateway drug onto other 262 00:12:42,769 --> 00:12:40,800 Cryptids you know I think there is truth 263 00:12:45,050 --> 00:12:42,779 to that because I first became 264 00:12:47,690 --> 00:12:45,060 interested in these kind of strange 265 00:12:49,610 --> 00:12:47,700 unusual animals uh from in search of you 266 00:12:52,129 --> 00:12:49,620 know whenever you know as soon as you 267 00:12:53,210 --> 00:12:52,139 see that surgeon's photo you immediately 268 00:12:55,190 --> 00:12:53,220 are drawn into it it's like the 269 00:12:56,930 --> 00:12:55,200 Patterson Giblin film you immediately 270 00:12:59,269 --> 00:12:56,940 want to know as much as you can about it 271 00:13:01,190 --> 00:12:59,279 and um I was uh whenever I was a 272 00:13:02,990 --> 00:13:01,200 graduate school I was studying history 273 00:13:04,850 --> 00:13:03,000 it so happened I was studying in 274 00:13:07,009 --> 00:13:04,860 Sterling Scotland which is a hop skip 275 00:13:08,509 --> 00:13:07,019 and a jump from block now I said I have 276 00:13:11,629 --> 00:13:08,519 to get there I have to get the Loch Ness 277 00:13:12,769 --> 00:13:11,639 so I was able to take a tour of the of 278 00:13:14,090 --> 00:13:12,779 the lake 279 00:13:17,090 --> 00:13:14,100 um but it's it's really fascinating 280 00:13:20,569 --> 00:13:17,100 because so much of the world nowadays is 281 00:13:22,670 --> 00:13:20,579 very domesticated so walk Ness is a huge 282 00:13:25,069 --> 00:13:22,680 body of water but all the water that's 283 00:13:27,290 --> 00:13:25,079 feeding into it is pretty well tamed at 284 00:13:29,509 --> 00:13:27,300 this point the access to the ocean is 285 00:13:31,550 --> 00:13:29,519 now part of the Caledonian Canal so it's 286 00:13:33,530 --> 00:13:31,560 very it difficult for things to get 287 00:13:36,889 --> 00:13:33,540 there as a historian 288 00:13:39,230 --> 00:13:36,899 I like to look at the way people look at 289 00:13:41,090 --> 00:13:39,240 things in the past to see if somehow as 290 00:13:43,550 --> 00:13:41,100 Shakespeare would say 291 00:13:45,710 --> 00:13:43,560 if the past is prologue if it still 292 00:13:47,329 --> 00:13:45,720 makes sense to this very day 293 00:13:48,829 --> 00:13:47,339 um so I just became interested in all 294 00:13:51,050 --> 00:13:48,839 these lake monsters because what is so 295 00:13:53,389 --> 00:13:51,060 interesting is when we talk about Loch 296 00:13:55,850 --> 00:13:53,399 Ness where we talk about the great lakes 297 00:13:57,470 --> 00:13:55,860 or even Lake Champlain all these Lakes 298 00:14:00,350 --> 00:13:57,480 were made right around the same time 299 00:14:02,690 --> 00:14:00,360 about 14 000 years ago at the end of the 300 00:14:05,030 --> 00:14:02,700 last ice age so there's there's 301 00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:05,040 something to be said about that right so 302 00:14:08,690 --> 00:14:06,720 if we are looking at something we have 303 00:14:10,430 --> 00:14:08,700 to look at a commonality and there is 304 00:14:13,850 --> 00:14:10,440 indeed a comma not only among not only 305 00:14:16,069 --> 00:14:13,860 Lake bronzers but even the uh the uh the 306 00:14:17,509 --> 00:14:16,079 longitude and latitude in which these 307 00:14:18,910 --> 00:14:17,519 Lakes happen reside there's something 308 00:14:21,650 --> 00:14:18,920 going on 309 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:21,660 geologically and geographically about 310 00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:23,040 these things and it starts kind of 311 00:14:27,110 --> 00:14:25,500 making sense after a while 312 00:14:29,629 --> 00:14:27,120 hmm 313 00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:29,639 so Kenny what are your thoughts on these 314 00:14:34,310 --> 00:14:32,160 aquatic cryptage 315 00:14:38,090 --> 00:14:34,320 well it's funny because a lot of people 316 00:14:40,069 --> 00:14:38,100 who I talk to and and know me see me 317 00:14:41,269 --> 00:14:40,079 kind of as like a Bigfoot guy but in 318 00:14:45,170 --> 00:14:41,279 reality 319 00:14:47,870 --> 00:14:45,180 um My First Love was champ uh being a 320 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:47,880 big lover of Godzilla and about four 321 00:14:51,230 --> 00:14:49,440 when I was about four years old I had 322 00:14:53,090 --> 00:14:51,240 somebody say to me when I was living in 323 00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:53,100 Northern Vermont that Godzilla lived in 324 00:14:57,530 --> 00:14:55,920 Lake Champlain and that kind of that's 325 00:14:59,689 --> 00:14:57,540 kind of when I kind of went from like 326 00:15:02,090 --> 00:14:59,699 the Godzilla King Kong Incredible Hulk 327 00:15:04,129 --> 00:15:02,100 okay well you know it's just on TV too 328 00:15:06,829 --> 00:15:04,139 hey there might be something real you 329 00:15:08,930 --> 00:15:06,839 know about what's going on here so I 330 00:15:11,329 --> 00:15:08,940 mean you know out of all the Cryptids 331 00:15:13,490 --> 00:15:11,339 you know that that people uh talk about 332 00:15:15,530 --> 00:15:13,500 and sightings all across the world I 333 00:15:17,689 --> 00:15:15,540 mean something that would be 334 00:15:20,449 --> 00:15:17,699 I I'd say maybe 335 00:15:21,769 --> 00:15:20,459 more more relevant I don't even want to 336 00:15:24,650 --> 00:15:21,779 use the word relevant but something that 337 00:15:25,970 --> 00:15:24,660 I could see being more realistic is 338 00:15:27,710 --> 00:15:25,980 something that's living in the water 339 00:15:30,410 --> 00:15:27,720 that's that's that's down underneath 340 00:15:32,449 --> 00:15:30,420 that that borrows its way down I mean 341 00:15:35,329 --> 00:15:32,459 and you know kind of like what when Ron 342 00:15:38,150 --> 00:15:35,339 was talking earlier today or earlier a 343 00:15:42,769 --> 00:15:38,160 few minutes ago about just um 344 00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:42,779 the just the the magnitude of um you 345 00:15:45,829 --> 00:15:44,399 know years and years and thousands of 346 00:15:47,629 --> 00:15:45,839 years of people seeing different 347 00:15:48,889 --> 00:15:47,639 different creatures in the water not 348 00:15:50,689 --> 00:15:48,899 being able to understand what they are 349 00:15:52,790 --> 00:15:50,699 in a lot of bodies of water that are 350 00:15:55,009 --> 00:15:52,800 separated now at one point in time 351 00:15:56,750 --> 00:15:55,019 actually being connected 352 00:15:58,850 --> 00:15:56,760 um like with Lake Champlain that used to 353 00:16:01,670 --> 00:15:58,860 be part of the Atlantic Ocean you know 354 00:16:03,410 --> 00:16:01,680 and you know and then um the mile high 355 00:16:07,129 --> 00:16:03,420 glaciers came in there was a separation 356 00:16:09,230 --> 00:16:07,139 now it's a freshwater lake so you know 357 00:16:11,449 --> 00:16:09,240 you know there's there's speculation 358 00:16:12,530 --> 00:16:11,459 that you know something got trapped in 359 00:16:15,170 --> 00:16:12,540 it and 360 00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:15,180 um it no longer exists now but there 361 00:16:19,069 --> 00:16:17,040 were sightings and now people are are 362 00:16:20,750 --> 00:16:19,079 seeing things but yeah I 363 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:20,760 I don't know about that um you know a 364 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:22,620 lot of people talk about you know the 365 00:16:26,329 --> 00:16:24,420 large sturgeons that are in Lake 366 00:16:29,090 --> 00:16:26,339 Champlain and that that's you know what 367 00:16:31,069 --> 00:16:29,100 a lot of people are seeing but I don't I 368 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:31,079 don't know um there's a lot of credible 369 00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:33,120 people that still to this day are are 370 00:16:36,889 --> 00:16:34,800 claiming sightings 371 00:16:40,009 --> 00:16:36,899 um I I like we mentioned I live in New 372 00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:40,019 York now and Lake George is a smaller 373 00:16:44,389 --> 00:16:42,240 Lake that's just um north of like Albany 374 00:16:46,670 --> 00:16:44,399 New York and there was a there was a 375 00:16:48,769 --> 00:16:46,680 hoax of uh lake monster 376 00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:48,779 um they called her Georgie 377 00:16:52,850 --> 00:16:51,120 um and it turned out to be a hoax it 378 00:16:54,350 --> 00:16:52,860 wasn't real but yet there's still people 379 00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:54,360 coming in from out of state that had 380 00:16:58,850 --> 00:16:56,880 never heard of such a creature that 381 00:17:01,009 --> 00:16:58,860 still to this day are reported exciting 382 00:17:03,530 --> 00:17:01,019 so I I don't know I mean it's it's it's 383 00:17:05,030 --> 00:17:03,540 definitely definitely plausible even in 384 00:17:06,409 --> 00:17:05,040 these smaller bodies of water that 385 00:17:08,449 --> 00:17:06,419 something does exist something's 386 00:17:16,370 --> 00:17:08,459 burrowing down underneath and hiding and 387 00:17:21,169 --> 00:17:19,429 yeah so it's interesting because even 388 00:17:23,929 --> 00:17:21,179 even though it was hoax people were 389 00:17:26,929 --> 00:17:23,939 still drawn to it weren't they there's a 390 00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:26,939 belief and a plausibility whenever you 391 00:17:30,169 --> 00:17:28,319 deal with bodies of water the same way 392 00:17:33,890 --> 00:17:30,179 Juan said at the very beginning you know 393 00:17:36,169 --> 00:17:33,900 in Pennsylvania we have Raystown Lake 394 00:17:38,090 --> 00:17:36,179 and raise time reside in there the whole 395 00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:38,100 problem is though it's a man-made lake 396 00:17:43,010 --> 00:17:40,799 so it wasn't like connected to anything 397 00:17:45,890 --> 00:17:43,020 you know this man-made like but people 398 00:17:48,409 --> 00:17:45,900 still believe it simply because 399 00:17:50,210 --> 00:17:48,419 fuzz its water could be lurking down 400 00:17:52,190 --> 00:17:50,220 there like you said Kenny like what 401 00:17:54,770 --> 00:17:52,200 could be burrowed in the depths of this 402 00:17:56,570 --> 00:17:54,780 place that we simply do not know so 403 00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:56,580 there's that that plausibility 404 00:18:01,130 --> 00:17:58,799 throughout this entire thing we talk 405 00:18:03,289 --> 00:18:01,140 about this for instance I got interested 406 00:18:05,390 --> 00:18:03,299 in in the Great Lake sponsors what led 407 00:18:08,270 --> 00:18:05,400 me to write a book is that I was invited 408 00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:08,280 to uh the American Abdul Saint Marie and 409 00:18:13,010 --> 00:18:10,320 I was on a panel with Linda Godfrey and 410 00:18:15,650 --> 00:18:13,020 Lauren Coleman and I started to hear a 411 00:18:17,090 --> 00:18:15,660 lot of Native American reports of hey 412 00:18:19,010 --> 00:18:17,100 did you hear about this story that 413 00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:19,020 happened in this Lake and I started to 414 00:18:23,210 --> 00:18:20,640 compile all these things again like you 415 00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:23,220 had said for you know a thousand years 416 00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:25,919 people have had these stories about 417 00:18:29,690 --> 00:18:27,840 something that looks very similar to 418 00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:29,700 what we would call the one that's 419 00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:32,160 monster or Lake Champlain it's part of 420 00:18:37,070 --> 00:18:34,559 our humanity and it seems to be really 421 00:18:39,529 --> 00:18:37,080 connected to these lakes that formed 422 00:18:43,610 --> 00:18:39,539 about 14 000 years ago 423 00:18:48,650 --> 00:18:46,730 is that okay sure okay 424 00:18:54,409 --> 00:18:48,660 um can we pull up that picture of the 425 00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:54,419 1972 flipper photo I sent it to him 426 00:18:57,230 --> 00:18:56,160 yeah I think Vincent will get it up 427 00:19:00,289 --> 00:18:57,240 there I know which one you're talking 428 00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,299 about yeah and everything like that I 429 00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:02,160 mean do you think that's a compelling 430 00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:05,600 picture I mean please 431 00:19:12,049 --> 00:19:09,600 no I believe that Nessie is our 432 00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:12,059 sightings of either Wells catfish or 433 00:19:16,669 --> 00:19:14,400 sturgeon like Adrian shine had said that 434 00:19:18,770 --> 00:19:16,679 they he believes they migrate in and out 435 00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:18,780 of the lock and that would make sense 436 00:19:22,909 --> 00:19:20,400 I've looked at some of the sonar hits 437 00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:22,919 and stuff and when you ever see the the 438 00:19:27,230 --> 00:19:25,260 uh like the large reading it's always 439 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:27,240 around spawning fish 440 00:19:31,370 --> 00:19:29,700 you know I mean in Pennsylvania like 441 00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,380 places I've been like tinicum and stuff 442 00:19:35,090 --> 00:19:33,360 like that you'll see like when minnows 443 00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:35,100 are spawning itself I mean hundreds of 444 00:19:39,169 --> 00:19:37,679 thousands of them huge Channel Cats will 445 00:19:41,150 --> 00:19:39,179 just swim in there and just swim around 446 00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:41,160 with their mouths open like a whale 447 00:19:45,230 --> 00:19:43,080 shark or a whale female Plankton and 448 00:19:46,850 --> 00:19:45,240 Gorge themselves you know and it would 449 00:19:49,549 --> 00:19:46,860 make sense of a big Predator like a 450 00:19:51,230 --> 00:19:49,559 Wells or a sturgeon would want an easy 451 00:19:53,090 --> 00:19:51,240 meal like that you know these smaller 452 00:19:54,049 --> 00:19:53,100 fish with what's in there I uh I don't 453 00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:54,059 have to listen front of you but there's 454 00:19:57,230 --> 00:19:55,679 like trout and all sorts of other stuff 455 00:19:59,630 --> 00:19:57,240 like that that they would be so busy 456 00:20:01,130 --> 00:19:59,640 into reproduction that the Predator can 457 00:20:02,690 --> 00:20:01,140 just come in and Gorge yourself but that 458 00:20:10,330 --> 00:20:02,700 we need the actual The Flipper one 459 00:20:10,340 --> 00:20:16,490 the upper left 460 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:24,549 that one there yeah no one the other way 461 00:20:29,150 --> 00:20:27,289 so now this is actually inverted 180 462 00:20:32,090 --> 00:20:29,160 degrees which apparently Darren Nash 463 00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:32,100 said the original was so this is how it 464 00:20:37,310 --> 00:20:33,900 originally was filmed and if you look at 465 00:20:39,169 --> 00:20:37,320 the UN touch retouched one at the bottom 466 00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:39,179 which is the real photo and not this one 467 00:20:44,330 --> 00:20:42,240 that was altered to me this looks like 468 00:20:46,430 --> 00:20:44,340 you see that Ridge curling there with 469 00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:46,440 the shading under it that to me looks 470 00:20:52,669 --> 00:20:49,919 like the flank of a sturgeon it does see 471 00:20:54,650 --> 00:20:52,679 it has that curving body it has The 472 00:20:56,990 --> 00:20:54,660 Ridges there the dermal scoots on there 473 00:20:58,669 --> 00:20:57,000 and possibly even a fin if you see it on 474 00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:58,679 the bottom right there now if he pulls 475 00:21:01,190 --> 00:21:00,000 up the sturgeon photo which is right 476 00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:01,200 next to it 477 00:21:05,570 --> 00:21:02,400 I don't know if you can get both at the 478 00:21:07,070 --> 00:21:05,580 same time you see that so to me I think 479 00:21:09,950 --> 00:21:07,080 what they filmed was a sturgeon and they 480 00:21:12,169 --> 00:21:09,960 said that this reading was like two 2.4 481 00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,179 meters something like that which is an 482 00:21:16,010 --> 00:21:14,640 average size sturgeon you know so I 483 00:21:17,450 --> 00:21:16,020 don't think it was a flipper but I think 484 00:21:19,250 --> 00:21:17,460 it was something organic and I think 485 00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,260 that's what it was I'm just curious what 486 00:21:23,330 --> 00:21:21,120 everybody else thinks 487 00:21:26,690 --> 00:21:23,340 well it was from what I've understood 488 00:21:28,490 --> 00:21:26,700 too it was it was very common for a seal 489 00:21:31,250 --> 00:21:28,500 or two to get into 490 00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,260 the uh the lock as well from through the 491 00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,320 Caledonian canal and sometimes with 492 00:21:38,510 --> 00:21:36,240 their thought is some of that the 493 00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:38,520 undulation people see sometimes as maybe 494 00:21:44,090 --> 00:21:41,760 a seal that gets through but I myself uh 495 00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,100 you know do subscribe I I went away 496 00:21:48,890 --> 00:21:46,559 thinking it was probably likely a 497 00:21:50,570 --> 00:21:48,900 sturgeon myself 498 00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:50,580 um and the other thing too is there is 499 00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,340 so much uh you know the one thing that 500 00:21:58,010 --> 00:21:55,440 that Lake gets is easterly winds and 501 00:21:59,390 --> 00:21:58,020 Westerly winds I mean that's why you 502 00:22:02,330 --> 00:21:59,400 know you can start off the day at 40 503 00:22:04,909 --> 00:22:02,340 degrees by midday at 75 an hour later 504 00:22:07,730 --> 00:22:04,919 it's down to 40 again an hour and a half 505 00:22:10,190 --> 00:22:07,740 later it's up to 65 the wet it's really 506 00:22:12,110 --> 00:22:10,200 some real weird weather but what that 507 00:22:15,890 --> 00:22:12,120 does is it causes some strange Ripple 508 00:22:18,049 --> 00:22:15,900 effects on that lock so and the debris 509 00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:18,059 you know can give the appearance I 510 00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:20,760 actually took some picture of debris 511 00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:23,220 just going by though I mean I happen to 512 00:22:28,430 --> 00:22:25,080 have the pleasure of staying right there 513 00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,440 on the lock at elderly castle and so I 514 00:22:31,549 --> 00:22:30,240 had a view of that Lake even when I 515 00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:31,559 wasn't on the boat 516 00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:34,140 and you would see things floating down 517 00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,900 the you know through the lock back and 518 00:22:42,409 --> 00:22:38,640 forth and you would think that it was 519 00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:42,419 something other than debris so very very 520 00:22:47,090 --> 00:22:45,000 fascinating stuff 521 00:22:49,010 --> 00:22:47,100 and my only point is is that if somebody 522 00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,020 is not familiar say they're they're 523 00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:51,120 driving along the roads along the lock 524 00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:52,320 because that's where a lot of the 525 00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:54,840 sightings happen you know if you're not 526 00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:56,760 used to seeing that kind of stuff on the 527 00:23:01,970 --> 00:22:58,380 lot you could be driving along and say 528 00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:03,649 I think there's there's so many of the 529 00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:06,240 historical sightings though that scream 530 00:23:11,450 --> 00:23:09,539 Wells catfish to me I mean like like the 531 00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:11,460 very first one you remember where this 532 00:23:15,409 --> 00:23:13,380 thing dragged somebody under and then a 533 00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,419 priest it was coming back and a priest 534 00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:17,039 told it to go away or whatever and all 535 00:23:20,110 --> 00:23:18,900 that I mean this is going back hundreds 536 00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:20,120 of years ago 537 00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:23,580 yeah so Jeremy Wade did us uh Colombia 538 00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:26,400 specials on Wells catfish and these 539 00:23:29,690 --> 00:23:27,960 girls had been attacked by a Wells 540 00:23:31,850 --> 00:23:29,700 because they were swimming near their 541 00:23:33,169 --> 00:23:31,860 where their nest was their eggs after 542 00:23:34,909 --> 00:23:33,179 they you know they protect their eggs 543 00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:34,919 and they grab the Girl by the leg and 544 00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:36,780 they yanked her under you know they had 545 00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,760 a big mouth and they don't have much you 546 00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:40,559 know your teeth but they bruise and pull 547 00:23:42,830 --> 00:23:41,940 you know if something big grabs you and 548 00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:42,840 pulls you under the water you're gonna 549 00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:44,940 be terrified and that sounds to me like 550 00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:47,520 a Wells protecting its nesting site from 551 00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:49,740 somebody's coming by you know I mean 552 00:23:54,289 --> 00:23:52,080 over people uh they saw one on the shore 553 00:23:56,510 --> 00:23:54,299 Nessie it was like two meters long it 554 00:23:58,669 --> 00:23:56,520 had antennas which would be whiskers 555 00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,679 okay and then it flopped around and it 556 00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:00,960 went back in the water and I mean so 557 00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,000 many of these site things sound like 558 00:24:07,730 --> 00:24:05,039 Wells catfish which are stocked all over 559 00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:07,740 Europe I mean my friend's son catches 560 00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,159 six Footers in England all the time 561 00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:13,200 I didn't even know they were I didn't 562 00:24:16,810 --> 00:24:14,940 even know they were in Loch Ness be 563 00:24:18,649 --> 00:24:16,820 quite honest with you I didn't know 564 00:24:19,330 --> 00:24:18,659 there's no proof that they're in there 565 00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:19,340 yet 566 00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:21,720 Adrian shine has said he believes that 567 00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:23,880 the big ones come in their you know 568 00:24:27,289 --> 00:24:26,039 migrate in and out of the lock okay and 569 00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:27,299 I'm saying because they're all over the 570 00:24:32,029 --> 00:24:29,940 UK it why wouldn't they be in Loch Ness 571 00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:32,039 and I mean you're when it comes to sonar 572 00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:34,740 these fish except at night they like to 573 00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:37,080 hide under logs on overhangs and stuff 574 00:24:40,130 --> 00:24:38,280 like that you're not even going to see 575 00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,140 them on Sonar they just sit there and 576 00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,480 chill you know that's what they do but 577 00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:45,120 well these these these things that show 578 00:24:50,270 --> 00:24:46,860 up where they're not supposed to show up 579 00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:50,280 I mean nothing tells these you know um 580 00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:52,080 different things that hey you know what 581 00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:53,220 you're not supposed to be here you're 582 00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:55,080 not supposed to be there they find a way 583 00:24:58,730 --> 00:24:56,640 they they just kind of follow it through 584 00:25:00,649 --> 00:24:58,740 like like Steve I don't know if you 585 00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:00,659 remember this but I saw something where 586 00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:03,000 like there was a big piece of ice or 587 00:25:06,289 --> 00:25:04,320 something going down like the Hudson 588 00:25:07,390 --> 00:25:06,299 river near New York and there was a seal 589 00:25:10,970 --> 00:25:07,400 on it 590 00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,980 do you remember that wow yeah yeah yeah 591 00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:12,960 and I mean that was only like five six 592 00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:15,000 years ago I think so it's like nobody's 593 00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,440 telling you know these creatures hey you 594 00:25:19,490 --> 00:25:17,760 know what you're not supposed to be here 595 00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,500 so you know they're they're just kind of 596 00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:21,360 making their way through and and I I do 597 00:25:24,110 --> 00:25:22,559 think that you know there's there's a 598 00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:24,120 lot of misidentifications and there's 599 00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:26,520 things that people see that they're not 600 00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:29,220 used to seeing and they they believe it 601 00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:31,500 to be this or that um but like I said 602 00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:33,480 you know the a seal going down the 603 00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,460 Hudson River in New York I mean that 604 00:25:39,789 --> 00:25:36,960 shouldn't happen but you know nobody 605 00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:39,799 told to seal that so yeah 606 00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:42,360 beluga whale in the Delaware River a few 607 00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,460 years ago absolutely they had made a 608 00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:46,799 seal drop by uh underneath the railroad 609 00:25:51,409 --> 00:25:48,600 bridge just north of the Dunn Memorial 610 00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:51,419 Bridge uh and he was hanging out there 611 00:25:56,029 --> 00:25:53,820 and got quite a gathering of all the 612 00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,039 Albany people all the Albany citizens 613 00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,320 because when do you get to see a seal 614 00:26:02,510 --> 00:26:00,720 well you know not not only that like you 615 00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:02,520 know I know this is it obviously isn't 616 00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:04,860 an aquatic creature but two years ago 617 00:26:09,230 --> 00:26:07,380 running down Main Street in uh Albany 618 00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:09,240 there was a there was a bear so I mean 619 00:26:14,029 --> 00:26:11,640 again nobody you know the these animals 620 00:26:15,769 --> 00:26:14,039 don't know to not not go to these areas 621 00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,779 obviously nobody was like oh look 622 00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,039 there's a Bigfoot running around in 623 00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:18,480 Albany you know there was like this 624 00:26:21,409 --> 00:26:20,520 identification but 625 00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:21,419 um you know 626 00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:23,460 very well you know sometimes I think 627 00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:25,020 that's where some of these these things 628 00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:26,400 come from is again something being 629 00:26:30,409 --> 00:26:27,960 somewhere where it's not supposed to be 630 00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:30,419 but something that is legit 631 00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:33,000 especially I used to live down in 632 00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:34,500 Maryland and I'm down I'm down on the 633 00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:36,299 bay a lot and all the stuff it drips in 634 00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:38,159 that bay I mean we've had Manatee come 635 00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:42,240 in there belugas uh huge makos come in 636 00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:45,120 there so yeah absolutely I mean these 637 00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,980 things do tend to show up or they're not 638 00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:48,480 supposed to we've even they're even 639 00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:52,020 manatees up in Boston Harbor so uh yeah 640 00:26:56,029 --> 00:26:54,299 these things do get they do get to where 641 00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:56,039 they're not really supposed to be well 642 00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:57,840 you know and as far as like Loch Ness 643 00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,700 too you know just like Lake Champlain I 644 00:27:03,169 --> 00:27:01,440 mean at one point in time well I believe 645 00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,179 it's it still is but at one point in 646 00:27:07,549 --> 00:27:05,520 time wasn't it wasn't it all like part 647 00:27:10,370 --> 00:27:07,559 of like the ocean as well I could be 648 00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:10,380 wrong but you know a lot you mentioned 649 00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:12,120 you mentioned Lake Champlain I think 650 00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:13,980 they're probably I think the Saint 651 00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:16,620 Lawrence is hooked into Champlain maybe 652 00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:19,500 in aquifers or underneath caverns and 653 00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:22,140 stuff I I think that's entirely possible 654 00:27:27,529 --> 00:27:24,539 yeah yeah I mean the thing is is I 655 00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:27,539 always say when it comes to the earth I 656 00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:29,700 mean we talk about you know the the the 657 00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,220 Earth is covered with water except for 658 00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,799 where you know land is you know but land 659 00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:36,480 in in my opinion they're just they're 660 00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,940 just kind of like little little islands 661 00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:40,559 and there's water underneath it so I 662 00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,360 mean everything's somehow connected you 663 00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:44,640 know but obviously you know you've got 664 00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:46,500 like you know fresh water well how does 665 00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:47,880 you know if it's connected to the ocean 666 00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:50,640 how does it you know maintain being 667 00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:52,860 fresh well the Earth does an amazing 668 00:27:59,210 --> 00:27:55,559 filtration on its own 669 00:28:02,210 --> 00:27:59,220 um so but I don't know I again I I just 670 00:28:04,669 --> 00:28:02,220 see you know as land as you know just 671 00:28:06,830 --> 00:28:04,679 little islands and you know with the how 672 00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:06,840 much water is covering the Earth 673 00:28:10,370 --> 00:28:08,279 um it's all connected one way or another 674 00:28:12,590 --> 00:28:10,380 whether it's um you know fresh water 675 00:28:13,810 --> 00:28:12,600 salt water or whatever it's all touching 676 00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:13,820 one way or another 677 00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:16,140 uh just to answer that question Loch 678 00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:18,840 Ness was not uh connected to the 679 00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:20,400 Atlantic Ocean it was actually carved 680 00:28:24,110 --> 00:28:21,900 out by a glacier 681 00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:24,120 okay it wasn't it wasn't connected to 682 00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,679 the Atlantic oceans of the Caledonian 683 00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,600 Canal was built 684 00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:30,240 um and uh in some places the lock is 685 00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:32,400 actually deeper than the Atlantic Ocean 686 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,610 wasn't it frozen also for a while 687 00:28:47,169 --> 00:28:44,570 I I I can't personally vouch for that 688 00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,179 not quite that old yet yeah yeah 689 00:28:52,669 --> 00:28:49,919 the state fossil of Vermont the state 690 00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,679 fossil is a beluga well because it was 691 00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:55,200 found on the uh the out the banks of the 692 00:28:58,190 --> 00:28:56,640 Lake Champlain 693 00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:58,200 yeah it was that they were building them 694 00:29:00,769 --> 00:28:59,520 so we do know that it was open to the 695 00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,779 ocean 696 00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:03,120 yep yeah so we do know that it was open 697 00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:05,220 to the ocean and also we know around 698 00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:07,080 Loch Ness there have been a plenty of 699 00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:10,500 fossils of aquatic uh animals uh 700 00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:12,539 discovered within the uh within the uh 701 00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:14,940 the shell and The Rock layers around uh 702 00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:17,640 walked us so I again everything was 703 00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:19,740 interconnected at one time and I truly 704 00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:22,020 think as a historian and as a folklorist 705 00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:23,880 I think when we talk about the 706 00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,520 similarities in worldwide flood 707 00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,039 narratives we're coming pretty close to 708 00:29:34,909 --> 00:29:32,399 this uh as the source in my in my humble 709 00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:34,919 opinion because you know four years ago 710 00:29:41,149 --> 00:29:39,120 what as yesterday in Incline as humans 711 00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:41,159 and so many times we probably would have 712 00:29:44,269 --> 00:29:42,600 been able to watch us our ancestors 713 00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,279 would have been able to watch this and 714 00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,840 then I'd have been absolutely terrific 715 00:29:49,549 --> 00:29:48,000 whenever that bit of land that was 716 00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:49,559 holding back all the water finally gave 717 00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:50,520 way 718 00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,500 it would indeed appears that the world 719 00:29:59,149 --> 00:29:57,169 Ron you're still getting that that 720 00:30:01,310 --> 00:29:59,159 glitch at least on my end where you're 721 00:30:02,690 --> 00:30:01,320 like delayed a little yeah you are a 722 00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:02,700 little bit delayed 723 00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,310 um now 724 00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:12,960 and you know I'm going to ask Max to 725 00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,140 answer this uh initially but what are 726 00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:18,720 the chances that we that there could 727 00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:21,419 possibly be 728 00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,010 uh aquatic cryptids in our oceans even 729 00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:30,000 our Lakes but our oceans more particular 730 00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:33,240 like megalodon or something that was 731 00:30:38,330 --> 00:30:35,640 by the fossil record that was a that was 732 00:30:39,649 --> 00:30:38,340 known to exist at one point that doesn't 733 00:30:42,649 --> 00:30:39,659 know it's supposed to be extinct you 734 00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:42,659 mean yeah that's better I I think that 735 00:30:49,690 --> 00:30:46,740 the chances of unknown or incredibly 736 00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:49,700 large life forms in the ocean is 737 00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:53,159 99.9 I mean you're talking how many 738 00:30:56,510 --> 00:30:55,260 million cubic miles if I had monster 739 00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:56,520 Marine which is in front of me I'd have 740 00:31:00,409 --> 00:30:58,140 that answer to that but millions of 741 00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:00,419 cubic miles of ocean only five percent 742 00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,580 of the ocean floor has been explored 743 00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:04,799 that doesn't include the average of 11 744 00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:06,840 000 feet of water above that obviously 745 00:31:10,850 --> 00:31:08,940 in what's in it and all but I mean it 746 00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:10,860 goes on and on I I looked you know 747 00:31:16,490 --> 00:31:14,340 researched gigantic squid mega sharks I 748 00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:16,500 interviewed uh Gary lamotta's friend who 749 00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:17,940 was with him when he saw that 38 foot 750 00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:21,179 total total Turtle I'm sorry I tried to 751 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,620 I was thinking of Nova Scotia at the 752 00:31:27,889 --> 00:31:24,960 same time and all that but um I mean it 753 00:31:30,350 --> 00:31:27,899 goes on and on and on but uh in terms of 754 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:30,360 the shark thing I don't believe that 755 00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,360 Megalodon is still with us because 756 00:31:39,049 --> 00:31:35,600 you would need a breeding population 757 00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:39,059 at least 500 Animals number one and 758 00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,340 since my research suggests that the 759 00:31:45,529 --> 00:31:43,919 adults were primarily scavengers you 760 00:31:47,210 --> 00:31:45,539 would be seeing them a lot you'd be 761 00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:47,220 seeing a lot of whale carcasses with big 762 00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,460 bites at them Etc but when I did all the 763 00:31:55,610 --> 00:31:52,080 research for the book and even since 764 00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:55,620 then we keep coming up with evidence of 765 00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,260 sharks that are impossibly large 766 00:32:01,310 --> 00:32:00,000 compared to how big they're supposed to 767 00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,320 be 768 00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:03,600 um I think I documented one two three I 769 00:32:07,549 --> 00:32:05,460 mean in Monster and mystery Marine 770 00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:07,559 Mysteries the biggest one is this one 771 00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:09,059 off of the Galapagos I call it the 772 00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:11,100 Galapagos Giant and marine biologist 773 00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:13,860 Simon Pierce photographed a 40-foot 774 00:32:18,649 --> 00:32:16,620 whale shark and on its left total flank 775 00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:18,659 in the back there it had a bite scar 776 00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:21,240 four feet across with two through still 777 00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:23,940 visible from a shark which suggests a 778 00:32:27,950 --> 00:32:26,039 shark about the same size as the whale 779 00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:27,960 shark there were all different ones that 780 00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,640 I did the number crunching on and 781 00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,200 research and all this stuff and then 782 00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:33,600 since then more and more has been coming 783 00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:36,299 up a photographer I think it was in 2019 784 00:32:41,630 --> 00:32:38,760 he photographed an 11 foot great white 785 00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,640 with a 30 inch bite scar on its flank 786 00:32:47,630 --> 00:32:44,399 which again is much bigger than they're 787 00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:47,640 supposed to be and most recently I would 788 00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,080 like I was mentioning before when we did 789 00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:50,880 this documentary we got a whale carcass 790 00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,340 with yard wide bites taken out of it so 791 00:32:57,470 --> 00:32:55,200 I believe that and even the Discovery 792 00:32:59,090 --> 00:32:57,480 Channel mentioned is they think that 793 00:33:00,529 --> 00:32:59,100 Marine bioters are saying that white 794 00:33:02,090 --> 00:33:00,539 sharks occasionally suffer from 795 00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,100 gigantism 796 00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:04,559 and in which case they could be twice 797 00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:06,299 the length potentially that they're 798 00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:08,220 supposed to get which makes sense I mean 799 00:33:12,169 --> 00:33:10,980 I've caught insects that are two two and 800 00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:12,179 a half times as big as they're supposed 801 00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,760 to be there are American toads that are 802 00:33:17,470 --> 00:33:16,080 supposed to only grow four inches that 803 00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,480 grow eight inches in length sometimes 804 00:33:22,009 --> 00:33:20,159 gigantism exists and if that was the 805 00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:22,019 case then you got to figure that number 806 00:33:26,509 --> 00:33:23,760 one you don't need a breeding population 807 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,519 anymore it just pops up here and there 808 00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:28,320 which explains why they're rarely seen 809 00:33:33,529 --> 00:33:31,440 it also means that that those genetics 810 00:33:36,649 --> 00:33:33,539 are not going to be passed on easily 811 00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:36,659 because of a female white shark is 40 812 00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:37,740 feet long 813 00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:40,559 and a 16-foot male comes up and tries to 814 00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,980 romance her he's going to be a snack 815 00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:45,840 you see what I'm saying and if it was 816 00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:48,539 reversed if it was a 35-foot male and 817 00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,860 something like that and trying to 818 00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:51,360 approach an 18-foot female she's going 819 00:33:55,009 --> 00:33:52,620 to run for her life 820 00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,019 see so I mean that's the only thing that 821 00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:57,120 makes sense the tooth puncture seemed to 822 00:34:00,409 --> 00:33:58,679 indicate white shark from what we've 823 00:34:01,970 --> 00:34:00,419 looked at and stuff and it just they 824 00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,980 just keep popping up though there's got 825 00:34:06,289 --> 00:34:04,080 to be at least five of these animals 826 00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,299 alive right now that are much bigger 827 00:34:14,349 --> 00:34:07,919 than 20 or 23 feet 828 00:34:18,169 --> 00:34:17,089 if you want to see them by the way I can 829 00:34:20,089 --> 00:34:18,179 start whipping out all sorts of 830 00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:20,099 Megalodon teeth Mega ancestor teeth 831 00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:22,919 white shark teeth I I got the ribs the 832 00:34:26,510 --> 00:34:24,780 fossils the tooth marks the Munch marks 833 00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:26,520 you name it though there's a giant 834 00:34:32,349 --> 00:34:27,899 display case right over there filled 835 00:34:37,790 --> 00:34:34,609 anybody else got any thoughts on that or 836 00:34:40,849 --> 00:34:37,800 if are these uh I mean are we 837 00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:40,859 it's possible that the these these 838 00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:43,320 creatures are coming from another period 839 00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:45,780 of time or still around and you know are 840 00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:47,820 still inhabiting our oceans well you 841 00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,099 know that reminds me of that that movie 842 00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:52,560 um I think it was called the Meg have 843 00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:55,080 you guys seen that movie where um they 844 00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:56,580 think they're actually at the bottom of 845 00:34:59,930 --> 00:34:58,740 the ocean they're furthest down but then 846 00:35:01,849 --> 00:34:59,940 they realize that there's actually 847 00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:01,859 another layer there and that's when they 848 00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:04,920 go down and they they come across and uh 849 00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,900 there's all kinds of creatures that 850 00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,880 they've they've never seen and then when 851 00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,040 they they they go back up through there 852 00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:13,200 I guess that's when one of the the large 853 00:35:17,690 --> 00:35:16,079 sharks follows them up through so it's 854 00:35:19,370 --> 00:35:17,700 funny because since that movie's come 855 00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:19,380 out and I've watched it I've had like 856 00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,060 many people say Hey you know do you 857 00:35:24,349 --> 00:35:22,800 think that you know and and some of them 858 00:35:25,849 --> 00:35:24,359 are you know conspiracy theory people 859 00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:25,859 you know hey you know do you think you 860 00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:28,200 know this is why this happened this and 861 00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:29,520 that and that's why you see certain 862 00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:31,140 things that they come up with people 863 00:35:36,829 --> 00:35:33,480 don't necessarily understand and you 864 00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,839 know and I I don't know but um you know 865 00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:38,400 again when we talk about you know how 866 00:35:41,950 --> 00:35:40,680 much of um uh Max talked about how much 867 00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:41,960 of the ocean that we've actually 868 00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:44,280 explored and been able to actually see 869 00:35:49,069 --> 00:35:47,160 and that we know about I mean 870 00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,079 I mean obviously yes I mean you would 871 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:52,079 see you know like Max had mentioned that 872 00:35:55,609 --> 00:35:53,520 you know there'd be 873 00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,619 they're they're you'd see a lot more and 874 00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:57,599 there'd be a lot more Devastation with 875 00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,820 something like that around but uh I 876 00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:01,440 don't know I just the the fact that you 877 00:36:04,849 --> 00:36:03,480 know that that movie came out and a lot 878 00:36:06,349 --> 00:36:04,859 of people are actually kind of jumping 879 00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:06,359 on board with that just I don't know 880 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:16,670 anybody else got any thoughts on that 881 00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:19,010 do you want to pull up the video and 882 00:36:25,849 --> 00:36:22,260 show the whale with the bite marks on it 883 00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:25,859 yeah if you if uh Vincent can get it up 884 00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,800 I beg your pardon well Vincent can get 885 00:36:34,370 --> 00:36:31,440 it up on screen 886 00:36:38,089 --> 00:36:34,380 that's what she said that's even worse 887 00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:41,510 well anyway you asked me to come on 888 00:36:46,609 --> 00:36:44,040 remember that okay 889 00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:46,619 this is your fault I didn't give him the 890 00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:48,660 URL though I gave him the URL for some 891 00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:51,420 other recent footage of Cryptid 892 00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:53,460 creatures possibly and I wanted to show 893 00:36:56,329 --> 00:36:55,020 people so we could talk about what they 894 00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,339 might be 895 00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:58,560 um I can send it to him right now if he 896 00:37:03,470 --> 00:37:01,320 can do it quick yeah if you want to 897 00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:03,480 um you know I I had mentioned earlier 898 00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,720 about about race Town Ray and we've had 899 00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:08,400 some people wanting to know what race 900 00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:10,859 Town Ray is I I first of all I'm gonna 901 00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:13,740 kind of get into it I know Ron can chime 902 00:37:20,930 --> 00:37:16,859 in on this but Raystown Ray 903 00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:20,940 was the uh was the upper juniana river 904 00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:24,060 that was damned off back in I think 905 00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:28,800 maybe the 70s uh by the um Army Corps of 906 00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:31,800 Engineers they built a huge Dam there 907 00:37:36,770 --> 00:37:34,200 and uh 908 00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,780 you know since that has happened and it 909 00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:39,599 I think I think the dam itself is a 910 00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:42,839 depth of like 120 foot it's pretty deep 911 00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:45,960 but people have said they have seen 912 00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:50,880 this huge aquatic creature similar to 913 00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:53,820 what people are seeing in in Lochness or 914 00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:56,820 you know that type of shape at 915 00:38:01,790 --> 00:37:57,660 um 916 00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:01,800 at Grace Town Lake now 917 00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:05,160 Ali got in there I have no idea I have 918 00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:06,720 talked to several of these people over 919 00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:08,040 the years 920 00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:11,880 I have uh I know uh Stan Gordon has 921 00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:13,740 talked to a few Witnesses I talked to 922 00:38:19,069 --> 00:38:16,740 people who have worked at the lake 923 00:38:21,250 --> 00:38:19,079 I know there was an investigation there 924 00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,260 years ago 925 00:38:26,329 --> 00:38:24,240 where who and I think it was probably 926 00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,339 the Paranormal Files who did the 927 00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:29,040 investigation where they thought it was 928 00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:31,140 very possible what people were seeing 929 00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:33,420 could actually be in the lake how I 930 00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:34,560 don't know 931 00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:37,260 but that that's something I I want to 932 00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:39,240 ask and and Ron if you've got anything 933 00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:41,870 to add to that please please do 934 00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:45,000 [Music] 935 00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,680 yeah I think it was paranormal fact or 936 00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,200 fate if because it was a picture a 937 00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,599 famous picture of raised Town Ray 938 00:38:56,569 --> 00:38:54,000 um so one of my theories you know from 939 00:38:59,690 --> 00:38:56,579 those Zoological point of view is we we 940 00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,700 talk about Elementals that certain types 941 00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:02,160 of spirits are attached to certain areas 942 00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,740 so so the idea I know someone in the 943 00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:06,000 chat room was talking about like 944 00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:07,440 mermaids 945 00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:12,300 typically think of the ocean but I spoke 946 00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:14,460 with somebody who claims that they saw a 947 00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:17,220 mermaid in a man-made lake outside of 948 00:39:23,569 --> 00:39:20,940 Reno Nevada so it seems as I said things 949 00:39:25,849 --> 00:39:23,579 are drawn to them is it possible that 950 00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:25,859 there is something inherent within the 951 00:39:30,349 --> 00:39:28,380 natural world and what some people you 952 00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:30,359 know Elementals you know you know a 953 00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:32,460 water Elemental a Woods element all 954 00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:34,020 these different kind of creatures that 955 00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:36,780 are associated with particular biome 956 00:39:40,430 --> 00:39:38,760 is it possible there's an intelligence 957 00:39:43,930 --> 00:39:40,440 energy out there that manifests itself 958 00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:43,940 as different things at different times 959 00:39:50,750 --> 00:39:48,000 stories because it seems as that should 960 00:39:53,390 --> 00:39:50,760 not have these creatures in them are are 961 00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,400 certainly showing something something's 962 00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:55,440 there you know these people even if 963 00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,000 there is misidentification going on 964 00:40:01,250 --> 00:39:59,040 they're definitely not lying about it 965 00:40:02,569 --> 00:40:01,260 they're seeing something that should not 966 00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:02,579 be there 967 00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:04,500 um it's an interesting Theory to think 968 00:40:08,329 --> 00:40:06,420 about as well too because when all kind 969 00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:08,339 of naturalistic theories run out you 970 00:40:11,630 --> 00:40:09,960 kind of have to look for the more of the 971 00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:11,640 woo as it were you know look if we're 972 00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:13,920 we're more kind of uh speculative ideas 973 00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:15,839 but that's one that I came up and it's 974 00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,220 not like throwing your hands up in the 975 00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:18,960 air it's like one of those things why 976 00:40:24,050 --> 00:40:21,960 hasn't there been a Bigfoot captured on 977 00:40:25,730 --> 00:40:24,060 a film that's not blurry and you think 978 00:40:27,849 --> 00:40:25,740 that at the end of the day couldn't we 979 00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:27,859 be talking about some sort of energy 980 00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:30,660 that inhabits certain areas around the 981 00:40:39,130 --> 00:40:35,630 well you you know I've had I had Nick 982 00:40:44,089 --> 00:40:39,140 Redfern on with me once uh and he swears 983 00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:44,099 that uh he and he believes that Nessie 984 00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:47,820 is actually a supernatural being I mean 985 00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:50,700 yeah so yeah we don't really have to go 986 00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:52,200 Supernatural see that's the thing as 987 00:40:55,069 --> 00:40:53,579 well too because whenever we start 988 00:40:58,450 --> 00:40:55,079 talking about supernatural we think that 989 00:41:01,310 --> 00:40:58,460 it's like above the the realm of of 990 00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:01,320 naturalism you know and it might be 991 00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:02,640 something that's very natural people 992 00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:05,460 have talked about fairies for thousands 993 00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:08,579 of years and places like Loch Ness that 994 00:41:14,329 --> 00:41:10,680 area around there very close to that 995 00:41:17,329 --> 00:41:14,339 area uh was a very famous uh fairy Hot 996 00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:17,339 Spot called um um aberfoil uh which is 997 00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,500 you know very very close Loch Ness and 998 00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:21,839 not only that but Lochness uh that area 999 00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,240 also has a lot of UFO sightings as well 1000 00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,640 so it seems that something strange is 1001 00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:29,040 going up there also uh the gray band is 1002 00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:30,780 said the Winger up in the Scottish 1003 00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:33,660 islands as well too 1004 00:41:37,849 --> 00:41:36,240 yeah absolutely so when we talk about 1005 00:41:40,430 --> 00:41:37,859 certain areas of the world we talk about 1006 00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:40,440 you know the idea of like the Chestnut 1007 00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,420 Ridge and we talked about there are 1008 00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:44,160 certain areas around the world that seem 1009 00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,720 to be a hot spot for these kind of 1010 00:41:49,490 --> 00:41:47,760 things and if I could just one more 1011 00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:49,500 thing a fish belly over there on the 1012 00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:50,820 couple because this is one of my 1013 00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,020 favorite things spring in the early 1014 00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:53,760 dolphin migration 1015 00:41:57,650 --> 00:41:56,400 up the Susquehanna will start soon so I 1016 00:41:59,569 --> 00:41:57,660 do want to point this one thing out 1017 00:42:02,870 --> 00:41:59,579 whenever I was writing my book on 1018 00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:02,880 mermaids there was a mermaid sighting in 1019 00:42:08,329 --> 00:42:05,820 the Susquehanna River of all places uh a 1020 00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,339 a very lucid uh fisherman reported 1021 00:42:12,589 --> 00:42:10,560 seeing a mermaid now of course 1022 00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:12,599 um you know zoologists claimed that it 1023 00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,760 probably was a seal that made it up 1024 00:42:18,050 --> 00:42:16,079 there but like we've all talked about 1025 00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,060 before you know this is still part of 1026 00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:20,400 the cryptozoology uh animals that are 1027 00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,960 out of place you know the things that 1028 00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,760 shouldn't be there this is all very 1029 00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:25,680 interested uh you know interesting 1030 00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:27,780 things to study 1031 00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:30,660 so I think Vincent has the video ready 1032 00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:33,599 to queue up so go ahead and and do that 1033 00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:43,190 you'll have to listen to my voice not 1034 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:53,569 as if I wasn't talking too much already 1035 00:42:57,290 --> 00:42:55,970 I I try to get him to around the point 1036 00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,300 where you oh 1037 00:43:01,550 --> 00:43:00,000 where uh we're trying to Crunch the 1038 00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:01,560 numbers in terms of the size of this 1039 00:43:06,290 --> 00:43:04,319 because what happened is earlier I mean 1040 00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:06,300 the video was 22 or 24 minutes long 1041 00:43:09,950 --> 00:43:07,740 right 1042 00:43:12,589 --> 00:43:09,960 so here 1043 00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:12,599 is another thing then narration okay so 1044 00:43:18,109 --> 00:43:14,760 that mess to the left there was a group 1045 00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:18,119 of like five bytes and my guy 1046 00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:20,280 um Jeff's Tudor had actually went and 1047 00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:21,660 measured that but the carcass had 1048 00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,640 shifted it wasn't in the position you 1049 00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,440 see now when he went back then a few 1050 00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,359 days later it was different so that mess 1051 00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,280 of bytes on the left there was 52 inches 1052 00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:31,440 across they were trying to get the size 1053 00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,440 for the one on the far right so the 1054 00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:36,240 narration's not there but basically what 1055 00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:38,280 happened is this Frame here was useful 1056 00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:39,660 because I was able to take the 1057 00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,640 measurement of that boot crunch the 1058 00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,200 numbers for the size of the bite there 1059 00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:45,839 and get that as a 20 inch yard stick 1060 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,430 um so you'll see then 1061 00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,990 it's kind of boring without them walking 1062 00:44:00,770 --> 00:43:58,560 and everything 1063 00:44:01,790 --> 00:44:00,780 yeah you can't get the sound file to 1064 00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:01,800 come up 1065 00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:03,960 uh it's just you it's on YouTube but oh 1066 00:44:07,809 --> 00:44:05,400 well yeah 1067 00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:07,819 for whatever reason you can't get it 1068 00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:11,099 seems to be frozen yeah 1069 00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:12,480 well anyway 1070 00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:13,800 um but thanks for putting that up 1071 00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,180 Vincent 1072 00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:16,800 um so I mean is there anything you want 1073 00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,300 to add to that Max 1074 00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:20,160 well no I'm just saying is that huge 1075 00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:21,960 bite over to the right there right is 1076 00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:24,660 actually over a yard across and we were 1077 00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:26,460 able to crunch numbers to show that then 1078 00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:28,380 later on there's when the carcass was at 1079 00:44:32,569 --> 00:44:30,300 Sea there's another bite where this 1080 00:44:35,450 --> 00:44:32,579 thing this whale was wounded by a ship 1081 00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:35,460 strike a propeller had chopped it up on 1082 00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,740 its shoulder quite badly and so there's 1083 00:44:41,150 --> 00:44:39,359 another bite on there where it's fresh 1084 00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:41,160 where you can see it and compare that to 1085 00:44:44,510 --> 00:44:42,900 like the the fin and stuff and you 1086 00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,520 realize that that bite is also at least 1087 00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:46,800 a yard across so there's a fresh one 1088 00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:48,839 with individual tooth notches and then 1089 00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:50,520 there's this one over here so you put 1090 00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,260 those together basically you're talking 1091 00:44:58,849 --> 00:44:55,200 about a carcass that has fresh and 1092 00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:58,859 non-fresh bites a yard across see that's 1093 00:45:01,970 --> 00:45:01,020 the incomplete bite right there this car 1094 00:45:03,170 --> 00:45:01,980 because it's probably pretty 1095 00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:03,180 deteriorated 1096 00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:05,880 but sometimes Chad wanted to know is it 1097 00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:07,800 is there a possibility and an orca mate 1098 00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:10,380 had done that an orca's bite isn't 1099 00:45:16,010 --> 00:45:13,079 shaped like that it's narrower it looks 1100 00:45:17,329 --> 00:45:16,020 more like a a lizard bite almost you 1101 00:45:20,329 --> 00:45:17,339 know their teeth remember they're 1102 00:45:22,010 --> 00:45:20,339 Dolphins so that Rostrum is not like 1103 00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,020 they don't have that cookie cutter bite 1104 00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,240 that a shark takes a white shark a tiger 1105 00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:25,920 shark you know they they take these 1106 00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:28,260 semi-circle chunks they excise flesh 1107 00:45:33,170 --> 00:45:30,300 when an orca bites it leaves grooves 1108 00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:33,180 like this it bites in and it shakes and 1109 00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:35,460 tears to rip out chunks you know they 1110 00:45:39,770 --> 00:45:37,859 don't just like excise flesh like a 1111 00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,780 shark does if that makes sense their 1112 00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,280 drawers are designed to grab like the 1113 00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:43,440 flukes of the great whales and hold them 1114 00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:46,560 in place While others batter the whale 1115 00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:49,140 to death and rip it apart Etc so they 1116 00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:51,960 tear out Jagged chunks by sheer force 1117 00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:53,640 shaking their heads that type of stuff 1118 00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:55,260 but if you're looking at work a skull 1119 00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,440 like uh I think the biggest one I I came 1120 00:46:03,370 --> 00:46:00,960 across was only like maybe 20 inches 1121 00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,380 wide like the jaws and stuff yeah 1122 00:46:06,770 --> 00:46:05,760 something like that it's in the book I 1123 00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,780 don't I don't I can't remember 1124 00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:09,359 everything but nowhere near that would 1125 00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:11,700 have to be like Leviton or even bigger 1126 00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,400 to get a white that's size but the shape 1127 00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:16,560 is it's you know you could see the teeth 1128 00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:19,920 it's definitely a shark bite 1129 00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:22,560 um we had a question from space cadet 1130 00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:24,000 Lottie since we were talking about the 1131 00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:27,660 UK and um 1132 00:46:33,050 --> 00:46:31,020 he wanted to know about the uh what we 1133 00:46:35,329 --> 00:46:33,060 thought about the evidence for Bo Nessie 1134 00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:35,339 at Lake Windermere in the Lake District 1135 00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:38,040 of UK you know 1136 00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,900 I had looked into that when all that 1137 00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:42,000 first started coming out and I don't 1138 00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,220 know what everybody else thinks about 1139 00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:47,280 that but it seemed to me that God that 1140 00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:49,260 was a publicity stunt for 1141 00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:52,680 for the the resort and the lake I don't 1142 00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:55,380 know I don't know if what was going on 1143 00:46:59,950 --> 00:46:57,420 there does anybody have any information 1144 00:47:02,450 --> 00:46:59,960 on that 1145 00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:02,460 well I know it's a very beautiful area 1146 00:47:05,809 --> 00:47:04,260 you know that's the area where the 1147 00:47:07,550 --> 00:47:05,819 romantics wrote 1148 00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:07,560 um but uh you know I don't remember you 1149 00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:09,000 know the cooler whichever writing about 1150 00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,940 the the monster in Lake Windermere but I 1151 00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:12,960 think that you're getting pretty close 1152 00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,220 to the point my friend I think that 1153 00:47:18,650 --> 00:47:17,280 we're talking about a tourist industry I 1154 00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:18,660 wanted to hang its hat on something 1155 00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:20,280 different yeah I think I think that's 1156 00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:22,980 what I think that's what it was yeah 1157 00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:25,260 I I heard the same exact thing that that 1158 00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:26,760 it was kind of 1159 00:47:31,490 --> 00:47:29,040 um it was definitely a publicity stunt 1160 00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:31,500 and you know my background in marketing 1161 00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:35,040 I mean I I've heard a lot of um 1162 00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,560 a lot of things to kind of get things on 1163 00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:40,319 a map to get people to uh come out I 1164 00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:41,760 mean it's just like if you think about 1165 00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:43,980 you know when um you know ghost hunters 1166 00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:45,540 came out and got really popular and then 1167 00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:48,359 everybody got kind of excited about it 1168 00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:50,460 um you know hotels and places you know 1169 00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:52,440 and Inns you know they never wanted to 1170 00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,420 say hey you know hey this is haunted now 1171 00:47:58,370 --> 00:47:56,400 they're like hey no this is haunted and 1172 00:48:00,349 --> 00:47:58,380 now people are coming out so before you 1173 00:48:02,809 --> 00:48:00,359 know things kind of kind of changed over 1174 00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:02,819 the years when something kind of kind of 1175 00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:04,740 got cool so it kind of kind of pulls 1176 00:48:07,550 --> 00:48:05,880 people in 1177 00:48:09,770 --> 00:48:07,560 um I I just wanted to throw something 1178 00:48:11,329 --> 00:48:09,780 out real quick because it's it's got 1179 00:48:13,329 --> 00:48:11,339 brought up twice about 1180 00:48:16,370 --> 00:48:13,339 um uh the the 1181 00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:16,380 creature in the man-made lake 1182 00:48:19,069 --> 00:48:17,760 um something that you know has been 1183 00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:19,079 brought up and I think I even saw 1184 00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,819 somebody mention something about it in 1185 00:48:26,589 --> 00:48:22,800 the chat as well 1186 00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:26,599 um so a man-made made lake body of water 1187 00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:30,000 so it's made it's there 1188 00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:31,859 um and and this has always been kind of 1189 00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:33,720 kind of a question of mine too could 1190 00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:34,920 there have been something in the ground 1191 00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:38,400 round that did get disrupted and I don't 1192 00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:40,740 know hibernating I I don't know and then 1193 00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:42,900 at some point you know ground was 1194 00:48:49,370 --> 00:48:46,380 saturated and then it came about I I 1195 00:48:51,170 --> 00:48:49,380 that on that's not where you know my I 1196 00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:51,180 would I didn't want to say expertise but 1197 00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:52,680 you know where that's where I'm really 1198 00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:53,940 weak in that but I just kind of wanted 1199 00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:55,500 to throw that out because I saw somebody 1200 00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,619 say that in here as well as it's I've 1201 00:49:03,530 --> 00:49:00,240 heard that 1202 00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:03,540 um outside of um uh um here in other 1203 00:49:06,650 --> 00:49:04,980 chats and different things like that 1204 00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:06,660 that something could have been stirred 1205 00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:08,339 up something could have been dug up to a 1206 00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:10,140 degree so I just didn't know what 1207 00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,880 people's uh thoughts were on that I just 1208 00:49:14,089 --> 00:49:12,720 thought it was kind of interesting 1209 00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:14,099 because again somebody threw that in 1210 00:49:17,710 --> 00:49:15,300 here 1211 00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:17,720 what do you think Max 1212 00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:21,720 uh like Kenny said totally not my area 1213 00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:25,680 you know I'm more like you know extant 1214 00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:27,720 extinct animals and all that other stuff 1215 00:49:31,970 --> 00:49:29,880 but to answer that other person's 1216 00:49:33,849 --> 00:49:31,980 question about the Orca thing if you can 1217 00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:33,859 get him to pull the video back up at 1218 00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:37,380 1953 like 19 minutes 53 seconds there's 1219 00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:39,900 a great color shot of the fresh carcass 1220 00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:41,640 with this giant uh giant bite on it 1221 00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:43,740 where you can see the individual teeth 1222 00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,560 like notches on one side which will show 1223 00:49:50,109 --> 00:49:48,240 you it's definitely not an orca because 1224 00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:50,119 orcas teeth are not 1225 00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:52,560 rounding you know following around mouth 1226 00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,900 if that makes sense you think you can do 1227 00:49:58,609 --> 00:49:56,880 that or is it I don't know if you can or 1228 00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,619 not 1229 00:50:02,329 --> 00:50:00,720 I I don't know if he's able to do it or 1230 00:50:04,609 --> 00:50:02,339 not 1231 00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:04,619 while he's queuing it up I want to let 1232 00:50:10,730 --> 00:50:06,900 you know that in Africa there is a 1233 00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:10,740 particular type of lungfish that can 1234 00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:14,099 um bury itself and sometimes over a year 1235 00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:17,160 until water comes and then it kind of 1236 00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:19,619 sea monkeys itself back into life again 1237 00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,680 so I guess that's not above the realm of 1238 00:50:28,490 --> 00:50:25,440 possible you know possibility it also 1239 00:50:31,370 --> 00:50:28,500 you can do that also oh absolutely yeah 1240 00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,380 yeah but the other thing that we have to 1241 00:50:36,829 --> 00:50:33,839 consider too is a lot of times things 1242 00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,839 get into the water from Birds you know 1243 00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:38,880 bird droppings they eat the eggs of 1244 00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,980 something then they go over so you know 1245 00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:42,720 until we figure out what these creatures 1246 00:50:47,089 --> 00:50:44,700 are it could be like you said they're 1247 00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:47,099 Max a giant sturgeon of some kind we 1248 00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:48,660 don't know whether it's getting into our 1249 00:50:53,390 --> 00:50:51,359 Lake because so many weird things have 1250 00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:53,400 been introduced into the the world 1251 00:50:57,049 --> 00:50:55,619 around us you know invasive species you 1252 00:51:01,549 --> 00:50:57,059 know it could even have been a snakehead 1253 00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:05,089 I know a lake in New Jersey that I am 1254 00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:07,500 convinced I put it in my book this guy 1255 00:51:13,609 --> 00:51:09,720 must have had a tropical fish tank and 1256 00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:13,619 he dumped his fish in there because I I 1257 00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:16,020 pulled a shadow out of the water okay 1258 00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:18,300 there it is right there now it even it 1259 00:51:21,790 --> 00:51:19,680 even circles it but if you look on the 1260 00:51:24,250 --> 00:51:21,800 right side of the bite there you can see 1261 00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:24,260 individual tooth curves 1262 00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:26,940 yeah they're characteristic gouges the 1263 00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,760 calling card of a gigantic shark 1264 00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:32,160 precise measuring is of course 1265 00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:34,440 impossible but knowing that this was a 1266 00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:36,900 humpback pushing 30 feet in length and 1267 00:51:41,569 --> 00:51:38,940 that their pectoral fins typically range 1268 00:51:43,849 --> 00:51:41,579 from 25 to 30 percent of their length 1269 00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:43,859 that means that this female's flippers 1270 00:51:47,150 --> 00:51:45,780 were anywhere from seven to nine feet 1271 00:51:49,970 --> 00:51:47,160 long 1272 00:51:52,490 --> 00:51:49,980 based on photographic studies I've 1273 00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:52,500 calculated an approximate one to 3.5 1274 00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:55,680 ratio a flipper width to length which 1275 00:51:59,569 --> 00:51:57,480 means that the flipper shown here is 1276 00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:59,579 around two to two and a half feet across 1277 00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,160 taking Force perspective and camera 1278 00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:05,040 angle into account this wound is likely 1279 00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:07,500 a yard or more across 1280 00:52:13,490 --> 00:52:10,319 most likely as our Mega Shark closed to 1281 00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:13,500 feed it was attracted to the open wound 1282 00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:16,380 as shown on this diagram that secondary 1283 00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:18,319 byte would have ended up about here 1284 00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:21,180 right next to or even partially on top 1285 00:52:31,210 --> 00:52:23,220 of the prop wound that fractured the 1286 00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:33,170 this whale 1287 00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:35,579 but anyway do you think a great way 1288 00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:37,140 could have done that you think one could 1289 00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:38,400 have got that big 1290 00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:40,680 well I mean I've collected enough 1291 00:52:47,390 --> 00:52:42,540 evidence either if it's not a white 1292 00:52:50,990 --> 00:52:47,400 shark the only other possibility is 1293 00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,000 ototus chubutensis which is was the 1294 00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:53,280 Megalodon's most recent ancestor they 1295 00:52:56,569 --> 00:52:55,260 split off I don't know how many millions 1296 00:52:58,250 --> 00:52:56,579 of years ago and they actually swam the 1297 00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:58,260 Seas together for many millions of years 1298 00:53:02,030 --> 00:53:00,540 and it grew up to 40 feet in length I 1299 00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,040 mean I could show you a chub utensis 1300 00:53:05,809 --> 00:53:04,319 tooth right now but their its teeth were 1301 00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:05,819 more like a great white it didn't have 1302 00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:08,760 those bone chisel maxillary teeth in 1303 00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:10,680 this in the front like Megalodon does 1304 00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,140 it's seeds were thinner more triangular 1305 00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,119 the you know the crowns more like a 1306 00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,280 white sharks too so it's not a white 1307 00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:19,440 shark that would be your best bet but 1308 00:53:24,109 --> 00:53:22,319 again we need a breeding population and 1309 00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:24,119 I would think that if there was 500 or 1310 00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:26,040 more of these things swimming around you 1311 00:53:29,150 --> 00:53:27,359 know every time somebody says they've 1312 00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:29,160 seen a 40-foot shark it's a basking 1313 00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:31,500 shark like you see the videos guys yeah 1314 00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:34,260 every time yeah but I mean you know it's 1315 00:53:37,069 --> 00:53:35,700 like look at the size of the shark and 1316 00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:37,079 it's a basking shark 1317 00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:41,880 but uh you know the I I mean I'm 99 sure 1318 00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,160 we've got some mutant white sharks out 1319 00:53:49,069 --> 00:53:46,800 there that are getting as they used to 1320 00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:49,079 say in Brooklyn stupid big you know like 1321 00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:52,020 that kind of thing so I don't miss that 1322 00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:53,700 town at all let me tell you no sorry 1323 00:54:02,510 --> 00:54:01,730 no no no uh space cadet Lottie ass 1324 00:54:04,430 --> 00:54:02,520 um 1325 00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:04,440 when are the panel's thoughts on the 1326 00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:08,240 mysterious Lace Lake vostok 1327 00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:12,480 uh I I imagine that I mean I have heard 1328 00:54:17,210 --> 00:54:15,240 it I have heard there there there is 1329 00:54:19,849 --> 00:54:17,220 supposedly 1330 00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:19,859 a creature in there does anybody got any 1331 00:54:25,069 --> 00:54:22,079 comments on that 1332 00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,079 all I can say is since we got through 1333 00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:27,359 coven for most of the way let's not 1334 00:54:33,849 --> 00:54:29,460 start exploring any new Lakes anytime 1335 00:54:33,859 --> 00:54:37,270 good point 1336 00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:41,270 yeah I I I tend to agree 1337 00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,240 um 1338 00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:44,880 Lori murty have you guys ever looked 1339 00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,700 into the stories of menagahila 1340 00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:49,440 monster 1341 00:54:54,890 --> 00:54:51,900 yeah I know you have so go ahead and 1342 00:54:57,049 --> 00:54:54,900 tell us what you found out okay so this 1343 00:54:59,569 --> 00:54:57,059 goes back to uh 1344 00:55:01,790 --> 00:54:59,579 um well you can always say this is 1345 00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:01,800 pre-european text but it comes down to 1346 00:55:07,069 --> 00:55:05,040 us as Europeans telling us the story so 1347 00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:07,079 it's kind of a mix match here but 1348 00:55:11,150 --> 00:55:09,240 anyways there was a tradition among the 1349 00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:11,160 Indians that lived along the Monongahela 1350 00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:12,480 right outside of Pittsburgh as a matter 1351 00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,180 of fact that a creature was known to 1352 00:55:19,970 --> 00:55:17,520 come up and steal deer from the banks 1353 00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:19,980 you know off the banks so there's ways 1354 00:55:25,069 --> 00:55:22,140 to look at this could it act as a 1355 00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:25,079 boogeyman to keep their kids away or 1356 00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:27,660 were they coming on a natural or natural 1357 00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,640 blood animals there's a couple way to 1358 00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:31,440 look at this it seems to be very 1359 00:55:36,290 --> 00:55:33,540 reptilian the way they describe it okay 1360 00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:36,300 and we know that by the time that the um 1361 00:55:41,569 --> 00:55:39,359 the the English came to uh Jamestown 1362 00:55:44,030 --> 00:55:41,579 there were alligators as far north as 1363 00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:44,040 the Potomac River so is it possible that 1364 00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:45,660 one summer one could have found its way 1365 00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:47,880 into Pittsburgh sure possibility but 1366 00:55:51,770 --> 00:55:49,980 usually folklore is based on upon 1367 00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,780 something rather than just a one 1368 00:55:55,309 --> 00:55:53,040 instance thing there has to be a 1369 00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,319 continuity here so the other best 1370 00:55:59,930 --> 00:55:57,599 guesstimate that I could make is that we 1371 00:56:01,309 --> 00:55:59,940 were dealing with an out of place bull 1372 00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,319 shark that found its way up the 1373 00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:03,599 Mississippi River into the Monongahela 1374 00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:06,240 and the reason why I say this is we know 1375 00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:09,780 for a fact that an Alton uh Illinois a a 1376 00:56:12,770 --> 00:56:11,579 bull shark was caught 800 miles away 1377 00:56:15,710 --> 00:56:12,780 from the ocean 1378 00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:15,720 and in my book on aquatic Monsters of 1379 00:56:21,470 --> 00:56:18,540 the Great Lakes we know that in 1955 in 1380 00:56:24,349 --> 00:56:21,480 Lake Michigan a young boy was attacked 1381 00:56:26,270 --> 00:56:24,359 by something that was called a shark 1382 00:56:28,849 --> 00:56:26,280 attack some people believed it was a 1383 00:56:31,309 --> 00:56:28,859 bull shark my opinion it was probably a 1384 00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:31,319 musk lounge or or some sort of Pike or 1385 00:56:35,290 --> 00:56:33,359 something like that but they thought 1386 00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:35,300 that it was relatively 1387 00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:37,380 explicable to say that a bull shark 1388 00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:40,020 actually attacked a young boy Lake 1389 00:56:44,270 --> 00:56:42,240 Michigan 1955. 1390 00:56:46,250 --> 00:56:44,280 so it's my opinion that bull sharks I 1391 00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:46,260 think bull sharks are one of these 1392 00:56:51,650 --> 00:56:49,500 Critters that can be a a monster in 1393 00:56:54,349 --> 00:56:51,660 anybody's eyes because they're they're 1394 00:56:56,270 --> 00:56:54,359 uh you know their predatory creature uh 1395 00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,280 they're aggressive and seeing one in a 1396 00:57:00,049 --> 00:56:58,319 lake or seeing something attacked in a 1397 00:57:02,569 --> 00:57:00,059 lake could provide a whole bunch of 1398 00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:02,579 different kind of monster stories 1399 00:57:06,530 --> 00:57:04,380 wow there have been there have people 1400 00:57:08,569 --> 00:57:06,540 been people who have seen bull sharks in 1401 00:57:11,470 --> 00:57:08,579 the Ohio river and I mean coming coming 1402 00:57:13,790 --> 00:57:11,480 out yeah absolutely I mean 1403 00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:13,800 osmosis with them is like nothing I mean 1404 00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,480 they get into fresh water and they start 1405 00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:18,000 going and uh they're pretty aggressive 1406 00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:20,280 as well so yeah I I that doesn't 1407 00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:23,640 surprise me at all yes that could be a 1408 00:57:27,650 --> 00:57:25,920 very plausible explanation 1409 00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:27,660 yeah that's what I came up with because 1410 00:57:31,730 --> 00:57:29,880 I studied it for a while because I like 1411 00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:31,740 things you know in in our hometown area 1412 00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:33,780 I like to kind of but then it's known as 1413 00:57:39,049 --> 00:57:36,540 the ugawa but it sounds very close to 1414 00:57:41,450 --> 00:57:39,059 agua so I think there's a lot of uh 1415 00:57:44,030 --> 00:57:41,460 influence from the uh the Spanish in 1416 00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,040 there as well too uh but you know it was 1417 00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,319 a an Indian tradition and there was even 1418 00:57:51,470 --> 00:57:48,240 reports of it showing up in places like 1419 00:57:57,230 --> 00:57:54,170 yeah it goes right through there so 1420 00:58:00,589 --> 00:57:57,240 absolutely yep yep yep 1421 00:58:03,410 --> 00:58:00,599 interesting well wasn't it a uh the the 1422 00:58:06,250 --> 00:58:03,420 shark attacks that inspired the movie 1423 00:58:08,569 --> 00:58:06,260 Jaws happened in a stream in New Jersey 1424 00:58:11,049 --> 00:58:08,579 absolutely and I believe that was the 1425 00:58:15,130 --> 00:58:11,059 bull shark as well 1426 00:58:18,650 --> 00:58:15,140 or something like that yeah yeah 1427 00:58:21,530 --> 00:58:18,660 1912. uh yeah so that that shark killed 1428 00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:21,540 three two or three kids didn't it it did 1429 00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,420 yeah it did horribly and it was 1430 00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:26,640 relentless it would not like give up its 1431 00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:28,980 prey which sounds like a bull shark they 1432 00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:31,200 once they latch on it's not like a white 1433 00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:32,700 shark where they bite spit and wait for 1434 00:58:37,130 --> 00:58:35,400 you to die you know and circle they just 1435 00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:37,140 hang on and keep tearing and tearing and 1436 00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,319 tearing so that's uh Hey can he pull up 1437 00:58:44,510 --> 00:58:43,200 this cadburosaurus video I sent him a 1438 00:58:47,150 --> 00:58:44,520 link for because I'd like to get 1439 00:58:49,069 --> 00:58:47,160 people's opinion on on that if possible 1440 00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,079 yeah that I'd like to see I'd like to 1441 00:58:54,010 --> 00:58:51,359 talk about that as well that that thing 1442 00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:54,020 is kind of 1443 00:59:00,109 --> 00:58:57,359 you know you know talk talk about the 1444 00:59:01,970 --> 00:59:00,119 catosaurus anyway uh Max so people have 1445 00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:01,980 an idea what you're talking about 1446 00:59:06,770 --> 00:59:04,559 I I honestly I mean I know the general 1447 00:59:08,030 --> 00:59:06,780 reports that it's this creature that's 1448 00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,040 been seen 1449 00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,319 um different characteristics supposedly 1450 00:59:14,569 --> 00:59:12,480 there was a carcass of a small one at 1451 00:59:16,490 --> 00:59:14,579 one point I mean I think it relates more 1452 00:59:18,530 --> 00:59:16,500 like to these giant turtles with the 1453 00:59:20,349 --> 00:59:18,540 head and the neck and all that 1454 00:59:25,370 --> 00:59:20,359 um but there's a video that was from 1455 00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:25,380 2009 it's black and white and it shows 1456 00:59:32,690 --> 00:59:28,440 um a creature creatures uh moving along 1457 00:59:34,609 --> 00:59:32,700 laterally surfacing one spouts so 1458 00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,619 obviously it's either recitation or a 1459 00:59:38,809 --> 00:59:36,480 pennipet or something like that from the 1460 00:59:40,849 --> 00:59:38,819 look of it and all but they're one shot 1461 00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:40,859 the head shape is very very 1462 00:59:47,089 --> 00:59:43,680 characteristic and I know what I think 1463 00:59:49,370 --> 00:59:47,099 it is I want to see if Steve and Ron and 1464 00:59:51,230 --> 00:59:49,380 Kenny what they think about it you know 1465 00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:51,240 well I know what you're I know which one 1466 00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:52,319 you're talking about you're talking 1467 00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:54,960 about the the kind of the head or the 1468 01:00:02,170 --> 00:59:57,839 horse shaped head on that thing no this 1469 01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:04,370 or something like that and then there's 1470 01:00:08,030 --> 01:00:06,180 another video that I sent him a link for 1471 01:00:09,950 --> 01:00:08,040 that came out a few weeks ago that was 1472 01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:09,960 filmed off of North Carolina this is 1473 01:00:13,930 --> 01:00:12,660 free recent and it's a similar type of 1474 01:00:18,109 --> 01:00:13,940 thing 1475 01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,119 yeah with the same exact type of animals 1476 01:00:22,190 --> 01:00:20,640 and stuff I don't think they're I don't 1477 01:00:23,809 --> 01:00:22,200 believe there are some and people are 1478 01:00:26,450 --> 01:00:23,819 saying oh it's a mosasaur it's an 1479 01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:26,460 alligator it's a plesiosaur all this 1480 01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:30,660 stuff and I'm like no it's blank but uh 1481 01:00:34,609 --> 01:00:31,680 yeah 1482 01:00:36,109 --> 01:00:34,619 no I had people I mean I I posted it up 1483 01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:36,119 on the blog and people are telling well 1484 01:00:39,890 --> 01:00:38,400 just a manatee it came North now that's 1485 01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:39,900 not a manatee 1486 01:00:44,089 --> 01:00:42,000 I mean I hate to be like crushing 1487 01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,099 people's dreams and stuff like that you 1488 01:00:48,589 --> 01:00:46,319 know explaining logical explanations for 1489 01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:48,599 stuff but I'm not gonna like feed into 1490 01:00:54,530 --> 01:00:51,540 the hysteria if I see evidence that this 1491 01:00:56,270 --> 01:00:54,540 is a citation I'm gonna say and people 1492 01:00:57,890 --> 01:00:56,280 that shot the video or promote the video 1493 01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:57,900 might get pissed off about it and all 1494 01:01:01,549 --> 01:00:59,520 that I'm not trying to read anybody's 1495 01:01:03,289 --> 01:01:01,559 parade I'm just not going to support you 1496 01:01:05,569 --> 01:01:03,299 know a falsehood or a hoax or anything 1497 01:01:08,210 --> 01:01:05,579 else like that you know it is what it is 1498 01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:08,220 you have to follow the science and if 1499 01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:09,839 the science shows me a pair of whale 1500 01:01:14,329 --> 01:01:12,299 flukes breaking the surface I'm gonna 1501 01:01:16,490 --> 01:01:14,339 say there's the fluges you can see them 1502 01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,500 there's the peduncle there's the lobes 1503 01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:19,200 there you know Etc it's a whale 1504 01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:21,359 so 1505 01:01:24,970 --> 01:01:23,520 I guess I threw him off asking for that 1506 01:01:27,530 --> 01:01:24,980 with no notice 1507 01:01:29,809 --> 01:01:27,540 we'll see we'll see if he can get it up 1508 01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:29,819 there you know you know I don't know if 1509 01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:31,740 you guys know this but I saw a Bigfoot 1510 01:01:36,829 --> 01:01:34,740 almost 30 years ago oh really in the 1511 01:01:39,130 --> 01:01:36,839 water and swimming 1512 01:01:41,809 --> 01:01:39,140 is that right no joke 1513 01:01:43,849 --> 01:01:41,819 they were sisters in Connecticut in 1514 01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:43,859 squant's pond which is a lake adjacent 1515 01:01:48,770 --> 01:01:45,660 to part of Candlewood Lake where the 1516 01:01:50,030 --> 01:01:48,780 state park is there and I watched this 1517 01:01:52,130 --> 01:01:50,040 thing 1518 01:01:55,490 --> 01:01:52,140 um I'll just I'll blab until if you want 1519 01:01:56,809 --> 01:01:55,500 me to until he gets it right but uh so 1520 01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:56,819 this is literally like about 30 years 1521 01:02:01,010 --> 01:01:58,559 ago me and my brothers my family had a 1522 01:02:02,450 --> 01:02:01,020 big house on Candler Lake then and so we 1523 01:02:05,030 --> 01:02:02,460 were there for the summer we decided to 1524 01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:05,040 go to squons there's a Causeway between 1525 01:02:11,329 --> 01:02:08,220 these two Lakes okay and the causeway is 1526 01:02:13,309 --> 01:02:11,339 piled up rocks gravel little high little 1527 01:02:15,530 --> 01:02:13,319 road on top of it and then there's like 1528 01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:15,540 this I guess steel reinforced concrete 1529 01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:18,000 like six foot pipe that goes underwater 1530 01:02:22,910 --> 01:02:20,760 that under the causeway that allows the 1531 01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:22,920 lakes to share water animals can swim 1532 01:02:27,950 --> 01:02:25,680 back and forth yada yada yada so we went 1533 01:02:31,010 --> 01:02:27,960 there the crack of dawn it was like 1534 01:02:33,530 --> 01:02:31,020 still dark out oh there we go so let's 1535 01:02:35,390 --> 01:02:33,540 let's look at this really quick I can go 1536 01:02:46,430 --> 01:02:35,400 back and talk Bigfoot okay 1537 01:02:50,650 --> 01:02:48,470 did you see the square thing come up and 1538 01:02:52,849 --> 01:02:50,660 then it spout 1539 01:02:54,770 --> 01:02:52,859 right there you see that yeah and 1540 01:02:57,890 --> 01:02:54,780 they're gonna play it again it'll be in 1541 01:03:11,030 --> 01:02:59,150 if he can 1542 01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:13,789 there see that there I see it spout and 1543 01:03:28,430 --> 01:03:14,880 that's Square 1544 01:03:35,150 --> 01:03:32,150 so that in my opinion is the head of a 1545 01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,160 bull a male Bottlenose whale and I sent 1546 01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:37,920 him a photo of one for comparison and 1547 01:03:42,829 --> 01:03:40,559 you'll see it has that exact same square 1548 01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:42,839 shape that they grow this bulbous you 1549 01:03:46,730 --> 01:03:45,119 know melon on the front there that looks 1550 01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:46,740 identical to it 1551 01:03:51,470 --> 01:03:49,680 do you think it was one or several no I 1552 01:03:53,569 --> 01:03:51,480 think it's a pod and that's why you get 1553 01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:53,579 this like you guys were saying and Steve 1554 01:03:56,930 --> 01:03:54,960 was saying like with the seals and stuff 1555 01:03:58,970 --> 01:03:56,940 like that you know these citations are 1556 01:04:01,789 --> 01:03:58,980 moving along in a family group this type 1557 01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:01,799 of thing and that other video has this 1558 01:04:05,930 --> 01:04:03,240 is actually the other one's more 1559 01:04:08,770 --> 01:04:05,940 interesting because there's it looks 1560 01:04:11,210 --> 01:04:08,780 like like it's not anything 1561 01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:11,220 Supernatural or encrypted in my opinion 1562 01:04:16,490 --> 01:04:14,640 but it has one of those I sent him a 1563 01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:16,500 frame if he can pull it up 1564 01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:17,280 um 1565 01:04:25,010 --> 01:04:20,940 sent them by email or something like 1566 01:04:28,010 --> 01:04:25,020 that but let's see the the the 1567 01:04:29,809 --> 01:04:28,020 where are you okay so tell him the one 1568 01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:29,819 first one right 1569 01:04:34,329 --> 01:04:31,920 okay that's the flukes okay so we can 1570 01:04:37,549 --> 01:04:34,339 look at that real quick if you see that 1571 01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:37,559 no that's a dorsal fin 1572 01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:39,359 okay that's the flu so you see that 1573 01:04:43,549 --> 01:04:41,520 yellow thing is the peduncle the Green 1574 01:04:46,190 --> 01:04:43,559 Dot is for the right 1575 01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:46,200 fluke and the red one is the left one 1576 01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:47,280 which is already flushed down and 1577 01:04:49,789 --> 01:04:48,480 already starting to Splash into the 1578 01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:49,799 water you can see when you see it 1579 01:04:53,690 --> 01:04:51,839 swimming you'll see the wick tail curve 1580 01:04:55,549 --> 01:04:53,700 up and whatever so there's no doubt this 1581 01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:55,559 thing has flukes and it's a whale but 1582 01:05:00,410 --> 01:04:57,599 this is not that old video this is the 1583 01:05:02,030 --> 01:05:00,420 newer one okay right and then there's a 1584 01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:02,040 couple shots I said I'm showing because 1585 01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:03,359 they were like well where's the dorsal 1586 01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:05,520 and there is a nice shot several images 1587 01:05:11,150 --> 01:05:08,640 there you could see that's the dorsal on 1588 01:05:12,890 --> 01:05:11,160 one of them breaking the surface Etc and 1589 01:05:14,569 --> 01:05:12,900 stuff you know I had to go through this 1590 01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:14,579 thing frame by frame practically which 1591 01:05:18,589 --> 01:05:16,200 is a pain in the butt you know to shut 1592 01:05:20,510 --> 01:05:18,599 people up that's a dorsal fin anybody 1593 01:05:23,089 --> 01:05:20,520 who says it's not is you know smoking 1594 01:05:24,589 --> 01:05:23,099 something sorry but uh so you know 1595 01:05:26,270 --> 01:05:24,599 you're dealing with whales here but the 1596 01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:26,280 cool thing about this newer video is you 1597 01:05:30,589 --> 01:05:28,319 have this square head at one point and 1598 01:05:32,990 --> 01:05:30,599 there's he has a frame of it somewhere 1599 01:05:36,589 --> 01:05:33,000 on there if I I wish I could 1600 01:05:37,809 --> 01:05:36,599 get in there but um hold on where are 1601 01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:37,819 you 1602 01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:40,319 now that's okay now for hold like hold 1603 01:05:47,329 --> 01:05:45,599 right there now that okay is a male of a 1604 01:05:48,829 --> 01:05:47,339 different species this is why I'm saying 1605 01:05:50,750 --> 01:05:48,839 this footage is interesting there 1606 01:05:52,490 --> 01:05:50,760 appears to be two mature males you see 1607 01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:52,500 those pointy things up there is why 1608 01:05:56,089 --> 01:05:53,640 people were saying it was an alligator 1609 01:05:57,650 --> 01:05:56,099 or something like that okay so if you 1610 01:05:58,910 --> 01:05:57,660 pull up now I gave him an image of 1611 01:06:02,510 --> 01:05:58,920 whales 1612 01:06:03,410 --> 01:06:02,520 there this is a sexually mature male 1613 01:06:05,450 --> 01:06:03,420 um 1614 01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:05,460 no I so that's the one with the square 1615 01:06:13,849 --> 01:06:10,670 that's not it no no the group there's 1616 01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:13,859 another one a group of four 1617 01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:15,359 yeah right there and you see the top one 1618 01:06:19,250 --> 01:06:17,400 there now that's a mature male of a 1619 01:06:21,710 --> 01:06:19,260 different type of beaked whale you see 1620 01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,720 how it has those alligator like ABS on 1621 01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:24,000 top of the head that is what that is in 1622 01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:26,400 that one in that frame okay but then 1623 01:06:29,930 --> 01:06:28,380 there's another frame in there where you 1624 01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:29,940 can see in the video where the square 1625 01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:32,160 head pops up which is a male of a 1626 01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:34,500 different like a northern Bottlenose 1627 01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:36,960 whale so to me it seems like you've got 1628 01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:39,240 two different species right there see 1629 01:06:43,370 --> 01:06:41,280 the square head coming up okay when you 1630 01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:43,380 see the video it's undeniable so it's 1631 01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:45,359 like you have two different mature male 1632 01:06:49,789 --> 01:06:47,520 species two different species swimming 1633 01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:49,799 together and I don't know if that 1634 01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,539 happens in the wild or not but it's 1635 01:06:55,309 --> 01:06:53,520 happening in this video in my humble 1636 01:06:59,089 --> 01:06:55,319 opinion hmm 1637 01:07:00,890 --> 01:06:59,099 but yeah that does that's unusual you 1638 01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:00,900 think that they be together like that 1639 01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:03,119 but who knows or maybe they're just 1640 01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:05,160 passing along with each other or finding 1641 01:07:08,750 --> 01:07:07,200 the same food but that's the same square 1642 01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:08,760 head species that is in the 1643 01:07:13,370 --> 01:07:11,160 cadburysaurus video I mean you saw that 1644 01:07:15,170 --> 01:07:13,380 thing actually spout you know like you 1645 01:07:18,109 --> 01:07:15,180 see that in the back of the head there 1646 01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,119 and stuff so that's what that's what 1647 01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:20,400 they are in my humble opinion 1648 01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:22,319 or my not so humble opinion I get 1649 01:07:25,630 --> 01:07:25,140 accused of being an egotistical jerk 1650 01:07:28,210 --> 01:07:25,640 sometimes 1651 01:07:30,829 --> 01:07:28,220 [Laughter] 1652 01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:30,839 it's interesting I mean the cattle 1653 01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:33,119 burrow I mean I I have no idea what that 1654 01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:34,559 thing was I know they've had 1655 01:07:39,950 --> 01:07:36,960 investigations where they've done you 1656 01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,960 know documentaries about it and you know 1657 01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:41,760 but it's all conjecture for the most 1658 01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:44,640 part uh you know the the carcass they 1659 01:07:50,690 --> 01:07:48,240 did have wasn't really much to look at 1660 01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:50,700 um so um yeah it could very well have 1661 01:07:55,849 --> 01:07:53,280 been in that the caliber that was up in 1662 01:07:57,770 --> 01:07:55,859 that was up in Alaska was it not I think 1663 01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,780 they see them all over the place oh 1664 01:08:02,990 --> 01:08:00,000 really yeah it's like anything that 1665 01:08:04,609 --> 01:08:03,000 looks like you know unusual strange but 1666 01:08:08,329 --> 01:08:04,619 yeah that's see that's the thing 1667 01:08:12,349 --> 01:08:10,609 that's the dorsal there's the fluke 1668 01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:12,359 that's the that's the other male with 1669 01:08:17,209 --> 01:08:14,760 different species there's a flukes again 1670 01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:17,219 that does look like a whale yeah yeah 1671 01:08:23,150 --> 01:08:20,960 but there's more than one yeah 1672 01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:23,160 I think it plays again after a little 1673 01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:24,960 while like it repeats or something 1674 01:08:29,809 --> 01:08:26,580 but I believe you've got two different 1675 01:08:31,550 --> 01:08:29,819 species of mature males in here you're 1676 01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:31,560 hanging out together or swimming in the 1677 01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:33,839 same direction at least which is an 1678 01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:36,239 unusual fine honestly 1679 01:08:44,329 --> 01:08:39,839 unless it's common and you know 1680 01:08:48,349 --> 01:08:46,430 they're weird looking animals there's 1681 01:08:52,249 --> 01:08:48,359 the that's the bull with the sperm whale 1682 01:08:52,259 --> 01:08:56,749 look at that 1683 01:08:56,759 --> 01:08:59,749 hmm 1684 01:09:04,189 --> 01:09:01,249 I mean does anybody here think that's a 1685 01:09:05,809 --> 01:09:04,199 mosasaur or an alligator 1686 01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:05,819 or please you're stepping on an 1687 01:09:11,150 --> 01:09:08,940 alligator no but I'm only seeing that 1688 01:09:14,209 --> 01:09:11,160 you're saying two but I I'm only saying 1689 01:09:16,669 --> 01:09:14,219 where where where do you see two well 1690 01:09:19,070 --> 01:09:16,679 you've got two different heads so the 1691 01:09:20,809 --> 01:09:19,080 one with the square head is an 1692 01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:20,819 individual animal and then the one that 1693 01:09:25,689 --> 01:09:22,319 looks like an alligator 1694 01:09:28,490 --> 01:09:25,699 but that one is a different animal 1695 01:09:30,410 --> 01:09:28,500 is it possible it may have turned and 1696 01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:30,420 rolled and it's bringing its head up at 1697 01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:32,640 an angle that's changing it look at the 1698 01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:36,000 profile when you see it come up like the 1699 01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:39,060 the melon breaks the surface there and 1700 01:09:43,010 --> 01:09:40,920 it's we're lateral to it and then it 1701 01:09:44,450 --> 01:09:43,020 just drops back down again 1702 01:09:46,010 --> 01:09:44,460 so 1703 01:09:47,870 --> 01:09:46,020 but that's not that's not the same 1704 01:09:51,130 --> 01:09:47,880 animal right there I mean would it would 1705 01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:51,140 it be common for two 1706 01:09:55,729 --> 01:09:54,000 different species to like just swim next 1707 01:09:58,189 --> 01:09:55,739 to each other like that 1708 01:10:00,590 --> 01:09:58,199 and I I don't know I mean there's 1709 01:10:03,290 --> 01:10:00,600 similar species they're both bottlenoses 1710 01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:03,300 that type of thing but uh so I mean 1711 01:10:07,490 --> 01:10:04,800 imagine that they're similar in size 1712 01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:07,500 similar feeding habits Etc you know 1713 01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:10,080 maybe they're I don't know desperate for 1714 01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:11,760 company or something like that I think 1715 01:10:16,250 --> 01:10:13,920 that the the melon head one is the very 1716 01:10:17,209 --> 01:10:16,260 beginning though 1717 01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:17,219 but 1718 01:10:22,430 --> 01:10:19,920 I don't know if you can pop back or not 1719 01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:22,440 I just find it fascinating that if I'm 1720 01:10:25,729 --> 01:10:24,300 right see that that right there that's 1721 01:10:28,189 --> 01:10:25,739 not that can't be anything else but that 1722 01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,199 melon see and then it's not this that's 1723 01:10:32,450 --> 01:10:30,480 it's not the same animal 1724 01:10:34,370 --> 01:10:32,460 no no other part of the body looks like 1725 01:10:38,450 --> 01:10:34,380 that 1726 01:10:41,330 --> 01:10:38,460 next to it right 1727 01:10:42,770 --> 01:10:41,340 see that one's smaller I think the one 1728 01:10:44,510 --> 01:10:42,780 that that's a little further back but 1729 01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:44,520 it's also got it has to be according to 1730 01:10:48,290 --> 01:10:46,140 the when I've researched a mature male 1731 01:10:51,169 --> 01:10:48,300 with those knobs sticking up on its head 1732 01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,179 like that so I just find it fascinating 1733 01:10:56,510 --> 01:10:54,000 but I mean I don't see a mosasaur I 1734 01:11:02,649 --> 01:10:56,520 don't see a plesiosaur you know I don't 1735 01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:06,590 it does I mean at first glance looking 1736 01:11:09,890 --> 01:11:08,520 at it if you look at it quick then you 1737 01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:09,900 you know you don't keep backing it up 1738 01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:12,000 and analyzing it you know it kind of has 1739 01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:14,280 that Plesiosaurus if you see it quick 1740 01:11:18,830 --> 01:11:16,800 but you know the more you you break it 1741 01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:18,840 down and you look at it you can see you 1742 01:11:23,570 --> 01:11:21,120 can see the differences but again I 1743 01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:23,580 still I can't I can't see two I I can't 1744 01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:26,100 see two different it looks the same to 1745 01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:28,140 me I'll send you the link or they'll 1746 01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:30,420 send you the link and you yeah yeah and 1747 01:11:34,510 --> 01:11:32,340 analyze it definitely I'd love to hear 1748 01:11:38,030 --> 01:11:34,520 you know your feedback on it yeah please 1749 01:11:40,189 --> 01:11:38,040 yeah I I think that's the same species 1750 01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:40,199 as in the cabarasaurus video you know 1751 01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,120 that square head thing that no one but 1752 01:11:50,330 --> 01:11:47,520 anyway should I blab about the Bigfoot 1753 01:11:51,649 --> 01:11:50,340 swimming or tell us about the Bigfoot in 1754 01:11:53,090 --> 01:11:51,659 the water I'll I'll try and give you the 1755 01:11:57,050 --> 01:11:53,100 Cliff's Notes version without boring 1756 01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:57,060 yeah so the lake it had rained its butt 1757 01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:58,320 off the night before and it was like the 1758 01:12:02,930 --> 01:12:00,000 color of coffee and I don't mean coffee 1759 01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,940 with milk in it okay so which was we 1760 01:12:05,870 --> 01:12:04,560 didn't research this stuff so we got 1761 01:12:08,209 --> 01:12:05,880 there we were looking a fish we had 1762 01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:08,219 Bobbers and Minnows you guys ever go on 1763 01:12:13,070 --> 01:12:11,040 Barber fishing for sure awesome Okay 1764 01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:13,080 cool so we were sitting there for like 1765 01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:15,120 30 minutes catching nothing and then my 1766 01:12:18,410 --> 01:12:16,440 two brothers decided they were going to 1767 01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:18,420 climb you know walk up the hill cross 1768 01:12:21,890 --> 01:12:20,520 over the causeway go down the other side 1769 01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:21,900 and fish The Candlewood side like I said 1770 01:12:26,330 --> 01:12:24,000 these two Lakes are attached right there 1771 01:12:28,189 --> 01:12:26,340 okay just separated by this thing so I 1772 01:12:29,570 --> 01:12:28,199 figured I'll I'll be here by myself and 1773 01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:29,580 that's fine and they'll turn on 1774 01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:31,140 eventually and I'll catch all the bass 1775 01:12:35,090 --> 01:12:32,640 and whatever we figured there would be 1776 01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:35,100 crayfish because of all the rocks that 1777 01:12:38,510 --> 01:12:36,719 are used to build this thing up see so 1778 01:12:40,970 --> 01:12:38,520 that was the logic there unfortunately 1779 01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:40,980 when you have no visibility shiners are 1780 01:12:45,649 --> 01:12:43,199 not very useful unless a bass literally 1781 01:12:48,590 --> 01:12:45,659 smacks into them practically so we were 1782 01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:48,600 the fishing sucked okay so as it was 1783 01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:49,920 gradually getting light and this Lake 1784 01:12:54,110 --> 01:12:51,780 was like glass there was nobody on the 1785 01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:54,120 lake there wasn't anybody one side has a 1786 01:12:59,810 --> 01:12:55,920 few houses on it the other side is All 1787 01:13:01,070 --> 01:12:59,820 State Park and jungle cycle and I mean 1788 01:13:04,130 --> 01:13:01,080 it's rough over there 1789 01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,140 but uh so after a while I'm sitting on a 1790 01:13:09,709 --> 01:13:06,480 bucket and I see something pop up on 1791 01:13:11,930 --> 01:13:09,719 those 150 200 feet out like a dark 1792 01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:11,940 object and then it goes under and I'm 1793 01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:13,500 like oh that's interesting and then a 1794 01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:15,480 few minutes later it came up again and 1795 01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:17,820 I'm like what is that and it was each 1796 01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:19,199 time it would have went under it would 1797 01:13:23,149 --> 01:13:21,480 come up a little closer each time you 1798 01:13:25,310 --> 01:13:23,159 know like it was working its way towards 1799 01:13:27,229 --> 01:13:25,320 me but it was still fairly far and then 1800 01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,239 I started noticing as this song was 1801 01:13:32,810 --> 01:13:29,760 coming up it was kind of hairy and it 1802 01:13:34,729 --> 01:13:32,820 was like at a reddish brown color to it 1803 01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:34,739 so I thought oh it's a muskrat because 1804 01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:36,480 it was kind of round looking and then it 1805 01:13:40,250 --> 01:13:37,679 got a little closer I'm like no that's 1806 01:13:42,770 --> 01:13:40,260 too big to be a muskrat I'm like it's a 1807 01:13:44,990 --> 01:13:42,780 beaver like you know a beaver's butt you 1808 01:13:46,970 --> 01:13:45,000 know that round part of them or back and 1809 01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:46,980 all that you know I'm like no that's not 1810 01:13:51,530 --> 01:13:49,260 a beaver I'm like what is that you know 1811 01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,540 so now I stand up and I see this thing 1812 01:13:55,790 --> 01:13:54,000 and it comes up like this Dome and I 1813 01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:55,800 think's head was not like patties it 1814 01:13:59,149 --> 01:13:57,840 wasn't conical it was round just so 1815 01:14:01,490 --> 01:13:59,159 we're clear on this and covered with 1816 01:14:02,990 --> 01:14:01,500 hair and it would come up like that and 1817 01:14:05,450 --> 01:14:03,000 then it would go under so when I stood 1818 01:14:07,130 --> 01:14:05,460 up I started seeing more of it like you 1819 01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:07,140 know it was like a body sort of under 1820 01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:09,120 the surface behind it and you could see 1821 01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:11,520 like legs under the surface and the 1822 01:14:15,470 --> 01:14:13,440 weird part is when it went to submerge 1823 01:14:18,050 --> 01:14:15,480 the legs would move together 1824 01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:18,060 like a girl's wearing a mermaid suit you 1825 01:14:22,970 --> 01:14:20,760 know with the tail not like we swim like 1826 01:14:24,770 --> 01:14:22,980 a flutter kick or anything like that so 1827 01:14:26,450 --> 01:14:24,780 I I still couldn't figure out it was and 1828 01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:26,460 I'm like is that a 1829 01:14:31,490 --> 01:14:28,800 deer and I'm like no because you know 1830 01:14:33,169 --> 01:14:31,500 how deer are people in Champlain they 1831 01:14:35,090 --> 01:14:33,179 think it's champ all the time you see 1832 01:14:38,090 --> 01:14:35,100 the head and you know like the body 1833 01:14:39,530 --> 01:14:38,100 wasn't that and then I'm like is it an 1834 01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:39,540 Irish Setter because it was kind of that 1835 01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:41,760 color I'm like no that head is 1836 01:14:45,709 --> 01:14:43,920 definitely not a canine and I just 1837 01:14:48,110 --> 01:14:45,719 couldn't figure out what it was you know 1838 01:14:49,610 --> 01:14:48,120 and I was estimating from that vast 1839 01:14:51,169 --> 01:14:49,620 difference that it was 1840 01:14:53,689 --> 01:14:51,179 distance I'm sorry that it was maybe 1841 01:14:56,090 --> 01:14:53,699 five feet long but you know it was kind 1842 01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:56,100 of head towards me and the rest was back 1843 01:15:00,290 --> 01:14:58,800 and stuff so I thought okay it kept 1844 01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:00,300 going under and then coming up going on 1845 01:15:04,370 --> 01:15:02,640 there and coming up and in retrospect 1846 01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:04,380 apparently it was diving for crayfish 1847 01:15:09,290 --> 01:15:07,440 like it would swim to the bottom catch a 1848 01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:09,300 snack and come back up you know this 1849 01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:12,719 type of thing so when it was maybe 1850 01:15:16,370 --> 01:15:14,820 100 feet away I mean I'd have literally 1851 01:15:18,530 --> 01:15:16,380 have to go there to gauge the distance 1852 01:15:20,689 --> 01:15:18,540 and stuff like that but I decide you 1853 01:15:22,729 --> 01:15:20,699 know what like I'm gonna climb up the 1854 01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:22,739 hill on the Rocks the gravel and stuff 1855 01:15:26,810 --> 01:15:24,780 and get higher up so I can look down at 1856 01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:26,820 this thing I figure then I can see more 1857 01:15:30,590 --> 01:15:28,560 of it and figure out what it is so I 1858 01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,600 started doing that and the Rocks like 1859 01:15:34,430 --> 01:15:32,880 crumble like they did and apparently 1860 01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,440 this thing did not know I was there 1861 01:15:40,130 --> 01:15:36,480 sitting on a bucket this whole time and 1862 01:15:42,110 --> 01:15:40,140 as soon as that noise happened it like 1863 01:15:44,270 --> 01:15:42,120 Dove it kind of there was a big splash 1864 01:15:46,450 --> 01:15:44,280 and as it did and this is when I I 1865 01:15:51,950 --> 01:15:46,460 realized it was not something normal 1866 01:15:54,290 --> 01:15:51,960 it's arm like this upper arm forearm up 1867 01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:54,300 to the wrist like this broke the surface 1868 01:15:59,330 --> 01:15:56,880 okay and its arm was much bigger than 1869 01:16:01,310 --> 01:15:59,340 mine and much more muscular you know 1870 01:16:03,470 --> 01:16:01,320 whatever and covered with thick reddish 1871 01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,480 brown obviously soaked hair you saw all 1872 01:16:07,310 --> 01:16:05,280 this like that at the surface and then 1873 01:16:09,770 --> 01:16:07,320 it went under and then it rocketed 1874 01:16:12,050 --> 01:16:09,780 towards the uh 1875 01:16:14,209 --> 01:16:12,060 the narrow channel called that goes 1876 01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,219 through that pipe underwater and as it 1877 01:16:19,010 --> 01:16:16,560 did and I walked over there real quick I 1878 01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:19,020 saw like a shadowy form like go through 1879 01:16:22,970 --> 01:16:21,120 it kind of scared me a little because it 1880 01:16:25,370 --> 01:16:22,980 seemed a lot bigger than I thought that 1881 01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:25,380 distance and the water went like this 1882 01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:26,159 like 1883 01:16:32,570 --> 01:16:30,000 at this point I had no idea what it was 1884 01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,580 except I noticed it had an arm like a 1885 01:16:37,070 --> 01:16:34,560 person sort of I I was thinking it was 1886 01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:37,080 an orangutan which sounds stupid you 1887 01:16:40,729 --> 01:16:38,640 know why would somebody have a pet 1888 01:16:43,010 --> 01:16:40,739 orangutan that goes out and swimming 1889 01:16:45,530 --> 01:16:43,020 around a lake or whatever so I Rush up 1890 01:16:47,209 --> 01:16:45,540 the hill almost get killed by a car Rush 1891 01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:47,219 across to my brothers oh my guys guys 1892 01:16:50,689 --> 01:16:49,440 there's this big hairy red thing that's 1893 01:16:52,729 --> 01:16:50,699 what I was calling it The hairy red 1894 01:16:54,169 --> 01:16:52,739 thinning okay I still get mocked to this 1895 01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:54,179 day about it I said it's swimming 1896 01:16:58,250 --> 01:16:55,440 through it's going to come through any 1897 01:17:00,169 --> 01:16:58,260 second well stupid me by the time I 1898 01:17:01,430 --> 01:17:00,179 climbed up this thing almost got hit 1899 01:17:03,530 --> 01:17:01,440 climbed on the other side this thing had 1900 01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:03,540 already passed through so we're standing 1901 01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,280 there the three of us we're looking at 1902 01:17:08,810 --> 01:17:07,199 the water or this other side and 1903 01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:08,820 nothing's happening they're like you're 1904 01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:11,100 I got called a few names whatever but 1905 01:17:14,570 --> 01:17:13,199 then a few seconds later off to about 1906 01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:14,580 100 feet to the side where the other 1907 01:17:18,590 --> 01:17:16,560 Shore is there's all these lily pads 1908 01:17:21,229 --> 01:17:18,600 that stick out I don't know six eight 1909 01:17:23,209 --> 01:17:21,239 feet you know like Prime bass territory 1910 01:17:25,490 --> 01:17:23,219 and something was under the lily pads 1911 01:17:27,890 --> 01:17:25,500 and was crashing its way through you'd 1912 01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:27,900 see like this and then further down it 1913 01:17:31,250 --> 01:17:29,280 would pop up again and stuff like that 1914 01:17:33,530 --> 01:17:31,260 and I think whatever it was was in there 1915 01:17:35,330 --> 01:17:33,540 and working its way along the shoreline 1916 01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:35,340 and using the lily pads to conceal 1917 01:17:38,570 --> 01:17:36,239 itself 1918 01:17:40,130 --> 01:17:38,580 so I never thought much about it after 1919 01:17:42,050 --> 01:17:40,140 that we always joke about catching the 1920 01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,060 hairy red thing and stuff but then like 1921 01:17:46,669 --> 01:17:44,640 when I was writing Monastery Mysteries I 1922 01:17:48,830 --> 01:17:46,679 realized this thing must have been a 1923 01:17:51,770 --> 01:17:48,840 Bigfoot you know like of some kind maybe 1924 01:17:53,570 --> 01:17:51,780 a juvenile that had a addiction to 1925 01:17:55,250 --> 01:17:53,580 potato chips meaning crayfish and stuff 1926 01:17:57,410 --> 01:17:55,260 like that you know was out there the 1927 01:17:59,149 --> 01:17:57,420 crack of dawn this type of stuff so I 1928 01:18:01,610 --> 01:17:59,159 started researching I found a newspaper 1929 01:18:03,770 --> 01:18:01,620 article from like the early 1900s where 1930 01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:03,780 the fishermen were saying fishermen 1931 01:18:09,229 --> 01:18:06,719 reports seeing hairy Wild Child in Lake 1932 01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:09,239 you know and then uh yeah so somebody 1933 01:18:12,530 --> 01:18:11,040 from another Network she told me well 1934 01:18:14,570 --> 01:18:12,540 that's before people knew the term 1935 01:18:16,850 --> 01:18:14,580 Bigfoot or Sasquatch that's what they 1936 01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:16,860 would call them hairy Wild Man hairy 1937 01:18:20,570 --> 01:18:18,600 Wild Child in this case that type of 1938 01:18:23,090 --> 01:18:20,580 thing and 1939 01:18:24,770 --> 01:18:23,100 like yeah we did have cameras there was 1940 01:18:26,510 --> 01:18:24,780 no cell phones back then or anything 1941 01:18:27,770 --> 01:18:26,520 like that this type of stuff except for 1942 01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:27,780 the ones that you had like came with a 1943 01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:30,719 suitcase and stuff but uh so then when I 1944 01:18:35,149 --> 01:18:32,400 was on the show talking about it this 1945 01:18:38,810 --> 01:18:35,159 guy wrote In and he actually sort of 1946 01:18:40,729 --> 01:18:38,820 reinforced you know the the encounter 1947 01:18:43,070 --> 01:18:40,739 because he was explaining how in the 1948 01:18:45,470 --> 01:18:43,080 late 70s and early 80s him and his 1949 01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:45,480 friends used to go up to swans and they 1950 01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:47,040 would camp and they would take out 1951 01:18:51,050 --> 01:18:48,719 canoes and fish the lake this type of 1952 01:18:53,149 --> 01:18:51,060 stuff and he said that in the early 80s 1953 01:18:55,850 --> 01:18:53,159 the last time they went when they came 1954 01:18:57,649 --> 01:18:55,860 back to their Camp it had been attacked 1955 01:18:59,330 --> 01:18:57,659 the tents had been ripped apart 1956 01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:59,340 everything had been destroyed thrown all 1957 01:19:03,709 --> 01:19:01,679 over Etc so they thought it was as he 1958 01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:03,719 put it drug crazed hippies or something 1959 01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:06,480 like that okay so yeah so they didn't 1960 01:19:09,290 --> 01:19:08,159 want to go there back there then their 1961 01:19:10,970 --> 01:19:09,300 other friends were like Hey we're going 1962 01:19:12,410 --> 01:19:10,980 he goes no we don't we had a bad 1963 01:19:14,030 --> 01:19:12,420 experience he goes watch out for the 1964 01:19:16,669 --> 01:19:14,040 hippies they were joking so his other 1965 01:19:18,530 --> 01:19:16,679 friends were on squons on the state park 1966 01:19:20,270 --> 01:19:18,540 side where it's all mountainous and 1967 01:19:22,010 --> 01:19:20,280 Woody and all this other stuff and 1968 01:19:23,630 --> 01:19:22,020 they're canoeing along the sides of the 1969 01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:23,640 edge of the lake and then all of a 1970 01:19:27,050 --> 01:19:24,960 sudden they hear some crashing as they 1971 01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:27,060 approach a little clearing as he called 1972 01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:29,520 it and this big buck comes rushing Out 1973 01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:31,860 of the Woods dives into the water right 1974 01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:34,560 in front of their canoe terrifying and 1975 01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:36,719 swims for its life across the whole lake 1976 01:19:41,090 --> 01:19:39,360 which is quite a swim by the way and he 1977 01:19:43,610 --> 01:19:41,100 said they heard something crashing in 1978 01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,620 the brush following it and it stopped 1979 01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:45,360 just shy of the clearing and didn't come 1980 01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:47,040 any further and they thought maybe it 1981 01:19:51,169 --> 01:19:48,719 was a hunter which I would say is 1982 01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:51,179 ridiculous because have you ever been in 1983 01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:53,760 there that Terrain 1984 01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:55,199 if you tried running through there 1985 01:20:00,110 --> 01:19:57,840 you're gonna die break your leg your 1986 01:20:02,030 --> 01:20:00,120 neck something like that I mean it is 1987 01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:02,040 treacherous slippery 1988 01:20:05,689 --> 01:20:03,600 like 1989 01:20:08,510 --> 01:20:05,699 all sorts of stuff you'd have to see it 1990 01:20:10,250 --> 01:20:08,520 to believe it right but uh no person you 1991 01:20:12,410 --> 01:20:10,260 couldn't chase a deer anyway but anyway 1992 01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:12,420 so whatever it was stay there and then 1993 01:20:18,770 --> 01:20:14,820 it started throwing stuff at them for 15 1994 01:20:20,270 --> 01:20:18,780 minutes rocks branches Twigs all sorts 1995 01:20:21,290 --> 01:20:20,280 of stuff they were getting pelted and 1996 01:20:24,410 --> 01:20:21,300 everything and finally they were like 1997 01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:24,420 hey a-hole we're in a canoe stop it they 1998 01:20:28,490 --> 01:20:26,880 said then it stopped and he said after 1999 01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:28,500 he heard me talking about it he realized 2000 01:20:32,810 --> 01:20:30,719 this sounded like Bigfoot was bothering 2001 01:20:34,130 --> 01:20:32,820 them and that's like primate Behavior I 2002 01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:34,140 mean these creatures are known to do 2003 01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:35,600 that correct 2004 01:20:40,970 --> 01:20:39,360 other people yeah absolutely so I mean 2005 01:20:42,410 --> 01:20:40,980 that kind of made me feel good that I 2006 01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:42,420 didn't imagine seeing this thing 2007 01:20:46,910 --> 01:20:44,880 swimming Etc and all that but it's the 2008 01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:46,920 same spot same Lake 2009 01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:50,400 Etc so but anyway one day when they're 2010 01:20:56,290 --> 01:20:52,380 proven to exist and by the way I know 2011 01:20:59,689 --> 01:20:56,300 somebody who saw a full color 2012 01:21:01,729 --> 01:20:59,699 non-fuzzy photo of one by the way I 2013 01:21:04,490 --> 01:21:01,739 can't talk about it but she was totally 2014 01:21:05,810 --> 01:21:04,500 freaked out historical about what she's 2015 01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:05,820 seeing the photo that somebody showed 2016 01:21:09,530 --> 01:21:07,920 her and stuff but um but when it is 2017 01:21:10,850 --> 01:21:09,540 proven that they exist and then somebody 2018 01:21:12,590 --> 01:21:10,860 sees them swimming they're gonna be like 2019 01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:12,600 oh look at that they do swim with their 2020 01:21:16,750 --> 01:21:14,760 legs together see Max wasn't a complete 2021 01:21:18,290 --> 01:21:16,760 [\h__\h] 2022 01:21:20,209 --> 01:21:18,300 complete 2023 01:21:22,729 --> 01:21:20,219 still partial 2024 01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:22,739 well guys uh I'm gonna go around the 2025 01:21:27,189 --> 01:21:24,719 horn here I want you to tell the folks 2026 01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:27,199 how they get in contact with you 2027 01:21:31,729 --> 01:21:29,760 uh what projects you're doing what 2028 01:21:33,229 --> 01:21:31,739 you're involved with right now I'll go 2029 01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:33,239 ahead and start with Max 2030 01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,719 oh gosh I'm still blabbing ah okay um 2031 01:21:40,669 --> 01:21:38,400 get in contact me no please don't don't 2032 01:21:42,410 --> 01:21:40,679 come to my house don't send me one of 2033 01:21:44,510 --> 01:21:42,420 those two-page letters about a typo in 2034 01:21:46,729 --> 01:21:44,520 one of my books I got one 2035 01:21:49,550 --> 01:21:46,739 um let's see the last two books that of 2036 01:21:51,410 --> 01:21:49,560 mine that came out was this past year 2037 01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:51,420 um which is Cronus Rising Purgatory 2038 01:21:56,510 --> 01:21:54,719 which is book seven in the series and a 2039 01:21:58,430 --> 01:21:56,520 Christmas-themed horror Thriller called 2040 01:22:01,310 --> 01:21:58,440 the sleigh you can find either of these 2041 01:22:03,110 --> 01:22:01,320 on my website maxwellthorne.com or on 2042 01:22:05,090 --> 01:22:03,120 Amazon if you guys want to check me out 2043 01:22:08,330 --> 01:22:05,100 on Facebook the group is monsters and 2044 01:22:11,209 --> 01:22:08,340 Marine Mysteries which is easy to find 2045 01:22:16,130 --> 01:22:11,219 um and that's about all I could tell you 2046 01:22:19,370 --> 01:22:16,140 uh Ron yes sir yes okay so uh I uh just 2047 01:22:21,970 --> 01:22:19,380 I just got a uh my book one yeah I just 2048 01:22:24,890 --> 01:22:21,980 got a book finished uh on Earth lights 2049 01:22:27,050 --> 01:22:24,900 uh and um writing spook lights I'm 2050 01:22:28,490 --> 01:22:27,060 looking for a publisher right now uh so 2051 01:22:30,830 --> 01:22:28,500 I'm gonna be shopping that here before 2052 01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,840 long and uh you know just getting ready 2053 01:22:34,430 --> 01:22:32,400 for the conference season to start up 2054 01:22:38,350 --> 01:22:34,440 hopefully our pass across again this 2055 01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:38,360 year's salon at some point and Steve and 2056 01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:40,800 yeah I'm planning on getting out there 2057 01:22:47,169 --> 01:22:43,199 this year so absolutely I hope we can I 2058 01:22:53,390 --> 01:22:49,729 Steve what's uh what's going on your 2059 01:22:56,930 --> 01:22:53,400 your neck of the woods oh God I I hacked 2060 01:22:58,490 --> 01:22:56,940 a ton of stuff going on uh the uh if 2061 01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:58,500 anybody's gone over to the my YouTube 2062 01:23:03,890 --> 01:23:01,199 channel squash dtv.com I've been pumping 2063 01:23:07,370 --> 01:23:03,900 out a lot of material uh working on my 2064 01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:07,380 fourth book the psychology of Bigfoot uh 2065 01:23:11,870 --> 01:23:09,360 that's uh gonna deal with everything 2066 01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:11,880 from why people go out every time and 2067 01:23:16,669 --> 01:23:14,880 see Bigfoot to uh some of the trauma 2068 01:23:19,970 --> 01:23:16,679 that Witnesses go through when they see 2069 01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:19,980 a Bigfoot and the psychology of hoaxing 2070 01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:22,560 the boot too so there's a lot of 2071 01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:24,719 different elements to the psychology of 2072 01:23:29,450 --> 01:23:26,159 Bigfoot I thought it'd make a great 2073 01:23:31,370 --> 01:23:29,460 great read and uh that and I'm you know 2074 01:23:32,450 --> 01:23:31,380 got a bunch of conferences already uh 2075 01:23:35,149 --> 01:23:32,460 lined up 2076 01:23:37,970 --> 01:23:35,159 uh in Alabama Ohio 2077 01:23:42,850 --> 01:23:37,980 uh and that's just uh the couple already 2078 01:23:45,530 --> 01:23:42,860 in New York so it's been very busy 2079 01:23:48,050 --> 01:23:45,540 and Kenny 2080 01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:48,060 yeah so um I just started the outline 2081 01:23:51,410 --> 01:23:49,199 for 2082 01:23:53,390 --> 01:23:51,420 um uh another book um that's gonna be 2083 01:23:55,970 --> 01:23:53,400 published through Beyond The Fray um 2084 01:23:58,669 --> 01:23:55,980 International Cryptids just came out in 2085 01:24:00,830 --> 01:23:58,679 um August and uh so once that released I 2086 01:24:03,229 --> 01:24:00,840 took a little break 2087 01:24:05,390 --> 01:24:03,239 um and kind of took took took the rest 2088 01:24:07,310 --> 01:24:05,400 of the the year off on uh doing any 2089 01:24:09,470 --> 01:24:07,320 conferences or anything but I got a 2090 01:24:10,189 --> 01:24:09,480 couple so far that I've confirmed this 2091 01:24:12,050 --> 01:24:10,199 year 2092 01:24:15,050 --> 01:24:12,060 um one's going to be in um 2093 01:24:17,330 --> 01:24:15,060 uh North Carolina another one's going to 2094 01:24:20,270 --> 01:24:17,340 be in uh West Virginia uh there'll be 2095 01:24:22,490 --> 01:24:20,280 one coming up uh here in New York 2096 01:24:23,930 --> 01:24:22,500 um as well as 2097 01:24:26,270 --> 01:24:23,940 um you know just some some other things 2098 01:24:28,850 --> 01:24:26,280 some radio shows coming up 2099 01:24:29,870 --> 01:24:28,860 um some more um potential documentaries 2100 01:24:31,970 --> 01:24:29,880 so 2101 01:24:33,470 --> 01:24:31,980 we'll see what happens just uh just 2102 01:24:35,209 --> 01:24:33,480 having a lot of fun with it and uh 2103 01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:35,219 looking forward to uh definitely getting 2104 01:24:40,130 --> 01:24:37,440 back out there and um you know getting 2105 01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:40,140 on the uh conference conference tours if 2106 01:24:43,970 --> 01:24:42,239 you will 2107 01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,980 well guys I want to thank you all for 2108 01:24:47,870 --> 01:24:45,120 coming on 2109 01:24:49,610 --> 01:24:47,880 um it was very interesting I hope to 2110 01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:49,620 have you all back again 2111 01:25:02,890 --> 01:24:51,960 and uh you'll have a good weekend and 2112 01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:06,290 again buddy well that was yeah I yeah 2113 01:25:10,250 --> 01:25:08,400 okay well thanks for coming on and uh 2114 01:25:13,970 --> 01:25:10,260 you all have a great weekend 2115 01:25:15,950 --> 01:25:13,980 hey guys thank you so much for having me 2116 01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:15,960 it's great seeing you guys have a good 2117 01:25:24,350 --> 01:25:22,790 now if you have a sighting or encounter 2118 01:25:25,970 --> 01:25:24,360 report that you'd like to be considered 2119 01:25:27,770 --> 01:25:25,980 for the personal report show or even 2120 01:25:29,810 --> 01:25:27,780 posted on families of mosque feel free 2121 01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:29,820 to contact me at my email at lawn 2122 01:25:34,430 --> 01:25:31,920 Stricker fans monsters.com 2123 01:25:37,130 --> 01:25:34,440 I want to again uh thanks guys for being 2124 01:25:39,169 --> 01:25:37,140 on the panel tonight uh and thanks for 2125 01:25:40,729 --> 01:25:39,179 joining me this evening and and thanks 2126 01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:40,739 to each and all of you for watching and 2127 01:25:44,570 --> 01:25:41,760 chatting 2128 01:25:47,810 --> 01:25:44,580 uh I always appreciate you all coming in 2129 01:25:50,030 --> 01:25:47,820 the chat and leaving questions and some 2130 01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:50,040 good discussions come up Aaron it's 2131 01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:52,080 interesting to read so I much appreciate 2132 01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:54,800 that so this next Wednesday 2133 01:26:01,610 --> 01:25:59,280 uh 9 p.m Eastern 6 p.m Pacific I there 2134 01:26:05,689 --> 01:26:01,620 will be another personal report show 2135 01:26:08,030 --> 01:26:05,699 and uh next Friday night uh at 9 00 PM 2136 01:26:11,689 --> 01:26:08,040 we're going to be having a Phantoms of 2137 01:26:14,990 --> 01:26:11,699 monster 14 Research team update show 2138 01:26:16,850 --> 01:26:15,000 so uh we're gonna kind of get into what 2139 01:26:18,350 --> 01:26:16,860 we've been doing some of the sightings 2140 01:26:20,689 --> 01:26:18,360 and some of the work some of the people 2141 01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:20,699 and team have been doing so that should 2142 01:26:26,810 --> 01:26:23,280 be interesting and stay tuned uh at 11 2143 01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:26,820 p.m tonight Eastern 10 p.m 2144 01:26:33,290 --> 01:26:29,760 um central time for uh Bernadette Daniel 2145 01:26:35,570 --> 01:26:33,300 and uh a paranormal life so until we 2146 01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:35,580 meet again folks you stay healthy and 2147 01:26:47,130 --> 01:27:16,310 [Music] 2148 01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:21,130 foreign